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 Posted 01/08/2007  1:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add busthalf to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
NGC,PCGS,ICG,PCI,NTC,ect. I chose NGC because it fit into the pocketbook better and I feel the best way to stor a coin for a long time was in a TPG holder. ICG PCI and NTC seem to undergrade some of the coins. What do you think SUPERDAVE,TEXAS
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 Posted 01/08/2007  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bh; Would like to remind you that if your talking about long time storage, then most people will not carry the TPG holders around in their pocketbook. There are any number of better storage methods, which are safer and easier on the coins. You are free to do as you choose, but in days to come, I believe you will change your method of storage.
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Originally posted by busthalf

NGC,PCGS,ICG,PCI,NTC,ect. I chose NGC because it fit into the pocketbook better and I feel the best way to store a coin for a long time was in a TPG holder. ICG PCI and NTC seem to under-grade some of the coins. What do you think SUPERDAVE,TEXAS


Busthalf, there is an excellent section here on TPG.
For long term storage I use Intercept Shield products, even on my slabbed coins. Remember, the slabs are not air tight.
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went the dansco rout and found that tonning was a problem havent tried intercept shield. I like to handle and show the coins I felt that proecting them in a certified holder was the way to go. maybe I was wrong give me more ideas this helps
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Originally posted by busthalf

went the dansco rout and found that tonning was a problem havent tried intercept shield. I like to handle and show the coins I felt that proecting them in a certified holder was the way to go. maybe I was wrong give me more ideas this helps


If you liked the album route but not the toning, you could try the intercept album. http://www.interceptshield.com/albums.html
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I think you're thinking clearly, possibly just lacking a little bit of information. Although differing opinions put them in different order, you'll probably hear a consensus around here that PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG are the only TPG's to be trusted with accurately grading your coins. There are one or two more I could name. PCGS slabs generally have the best marketplace value, if you're considering resale at some point, but NGC is many time equal or a close second. The others just plain don't do as well in the marketplace.

TPS slabs form excellent protection, but are not airtight, and therefore are still sensitive to atmospheric conditions. A coin *can* tone in a TPG slab. I know many collectors who are perfectly happy using their TPG slabs as long-term storage, though.

Much of what I collect is raw. For those, I generally use CoinEdge containers (this link is to the product, at a dealer I trust, so it's two recommendations in one!):

http://www.brent-krueger.com/coinedge1.html

They are very nearly airtight, not permanently sealed so you can handle the coins raw and re-seal them if you wish, will not allow the coin harm if you drop it on the floor (don't ask how I know), and best of all, you can see the edge clearly in them. That's relatively important to me in two of my areas of interest, 1921 Morgans and Bust Halfs. You can buy album pages to hold them, as well.

If you wish for airtight long-term storage for your coins, there is (in my opinion) but one product for you:

http://www.brent-krueger.com/airtit...With%20Rings

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While PCGS and NGC hold their market value better, I personally do not prefer their grading standards. I feel that they are too market-driven. I know that coins that I have submitted to ANACS have always come back within 1 point of my grades. Now, I know that I am considered a conservative grader. (I firmly believe that a coin that was VF 10 years ago is still VF and cannot go to EF or better just because someone says the standards have changed. )

So far, I prefer ANACS grades, but ICG has the best holder that I know of using the Intercept technology. As I stated in another post, I think ICG will be worth watching with James Taylor back in the presidency.

I have seen too many PCGS and NGC coins that I have disagreed with the grade to feel that it is worth paying the higher charges for a coin to go into one of their slabs. I'm much more interested in getting an accurate grade on a coin than the higher market value of an overgraded coin. Just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone.

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Originally posted by Susanlynn9

While PCGS and NGC hold their market value better, I personally do not prefer their grading standards. I feel that they are too market-driven. I know that coins that I have submitted to ANACS have always come back within 1 point of my grades. Now, I know that I am considered a conservative grader. (I firmly believe that a coin that was VF 10 years ago is still VF and cannot go to EF or better just because someone says the standards have changed. )

So far, I prefer ANACS grades, but ICG has the best holder that I know of using the Intercept technology. As I stated in another post, I think ICG will be worth watching with James Taylor back in the presidency.

I have seen too many PCGS and NGC coins that I have disagreed with the grade to feel that it is worth paying the higher charges for a coin to go into one of their slabs. I'm much more interested in getting an accurate grade on a coin than the higher market value of an overgraded coin. Just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone.

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See what I said about differing opinions?

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My preferences for TPGs are PCGS, NGC and ANACS, and, like Susan I think that ICG is going to come on strong in the near future.

My personal preference is ANACS because you'll never pay a submission fee and have the coin come back in a body bag. ANACS will slab a problem coin in the old holder, label the problem (cleaned, whatever) and net grade it.

I will probably be sending my entire British Victorian collection to ANACS for grading and encapsulation. I might do the same with my US Type Set when I ever get that completed.
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Everyone should know by now what I think of TPG's!!
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 Posted 01/12/2007  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by busthalf

NGC,PCGS,ICG,PCI,NTC,ect. I chose NGC because it fit into the pocketbook better and I feel the best way to stor a coin for a long time was in a TPG holder. ICG PCI and NTC seem to undergrade some of the coins. What do you think SUPERDAVE,TEXAS



As to your first point, NGS slabs currently command less in the marketplace than do PCGS; the others lag far behind. However, the premium of slabbed to raw has varied over time, as has the relative premiums of the slabs. That is, there were times when NGC slabs were more expensive than PCGS.

Your second point addresses the fact that many feel that TPG slabs not only provide financial security by guaranteeing level of preservation and authenticity, but they also provide superior physical security. I leave that question to the members who have purchased, stored, and cracked out slabbed coins over the years. I will simply say that I am dubious that the TPGs have access to any storage/preservation technology that can't be purchased much more cheaply.

Finally, I am curious about your statement that ICG, PCI, and NTC seem to undergrade their coins. Did you misspeak there? While I do hear some rumblings about the "top TPGs" undergrading certain key issues and moderns in order to keep their population reports down and give the impression of selectivity, I do not recall ever hearing complaints that ICG, PCI, and NTC (generally considered 2nd-tier or worse) undergrade their coins. Quite the opposite.

I close by saying that the above opinions have been formed indirectly. In other words, I am not a consumer of the services of TPGs, but I am an observer those who are. Furthermore, anyone in numismatics today has a stake in the TPG phenomenon. I believe this point was expressed eloquently by Morgan Fred.

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