1878 Morgn 8 Tf VAM 14.1A With Letters Doubled On Left Side

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TMR New Member United States 28 Posts	Posted 12/29/2011 5:01 pm I recently acquired a raw 1878 8 TF that I believe is of the VAM 14.1A variety. From what I can tell, it looks like the coin shifted in two directions during production - rotating counter clockwise slightly and shifting to the lower right / southeast as many of the letters are doubled on the left vertical edges and many are also doubled on the bottom. I have been reviewing several sites and chat rooms trying to locate any references to the left side vertical doubling of letters in a VAM 14.1A and haven't been successful in locating. Does anyone know if the doubling on the edges (not the top or bottom) is common in this VAM? Is this caused by the coin rotating in between strikes? I have posted pictures to a SkyDrive location that might help. Some of the close-up images show the left edges of letters (see PLURIBUS and ONE DOLLAR). Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Hopefully this link takes you to the pictures on my SkyDrive folder. https://skydrive.live.com/redir.asp...i5gxaw3SIY4Q Edited by TMR 12/29/2011 5:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff

twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 12/29/2011 9:11 pm The 1878 P 8 tf Vam-14.1 is one of the more common 8tf types. The reverse on this as well as all doubled or even tripled die coins. The Vam-14.1 is an alligator eye coin, making the obverse die doubled as well. Vamworld is a good place to look up the pick up points from. Report this Post to the Staff
TMR New Member United States 28 Posts	Posted 12/29/2011 9:56 pm Thank you for the reply. I am new to this and appreciate the feedback and patience as I learn. I used the VAM World site to research and make my initial guess at the VAM. I read the description for the 14.1 and 14.1A several times, used the photos, etc. Including the note of frequent doubling at the top and bottom of the letters. I didn't see a mention of the doubling on vertical edges and the example pictures don't seem to reference it so it must not be a key diagnostic. There is a clear doubling at the front of the eye ball so it is the alligator eye characteristic as well as many others. So, nothing unique or rare. Thanks again. Report this Post to the Staff
aladinslamp Pillar of the Community United States 3076 Posts	Posted 12/29/2011 11:06 pm nice consensious Russ... Report this Post to the Staff
twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 12/29/2011 11:42 pm Many of the "little things are not put in the listing as they are just part of the die. They tend to just make things a bit more confusing, the main pick up points are what they cover only. I understand it can be confusing at the start but you will get the hang of it. The Vam-14.1 is just that a doubled die obverse 1878 P 8 tf coin the Vam-14.1a is the clashed version of the same die pair. One reason the Vam-14.1 is so common is that it shares the same reverse die as the rarer Vam-9, the first die pair struck and more then one person has bought the Vam-14.1 by mistake hoping, I have a few friends that have mad that error more then 8 times. So when you have 3, 5 or 8 of one pairing they are seen as a common VAM. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 12/30/2011 12:58 am Quote: One reason the Vam-14.1 is so common is that it shares the same reverse die as the rarer Vam-9, the first die pair struck and more then one person has bought the Vam-14.1 by mistake hoping, I have a few friends that have mad that error more then 8 times. So when you have 3, 5 or 8 of one pairing they are seen as a common VAM. Umm....14.9 uses the A1h reverse, uniquely. 14.1 uses the A1k reverse, shared with 14.10. The two are rather similar, and would be difficult to tell apart below XF45-ish, but they're not the same reverse. 14.9's "comma feather" tends to melt into the adjacent feather far earlier in the wear process than 14.1's which are more clearly delineated from each other. One thing to keep in mind, TMR, is that doubling identified on Morgan varieties is die doubling, caused by the hub. There's nothing to stop Machine Doubling (shifting during the strike) from compounding die doubling, and driving you clean up a wall. Oh, yeah - it's definitely 14.1; the rough area over the M of UNUM is diagnostic, and I can even see the little die chip next to the adjacent star. Report this Post to the Staff
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