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Has this been cleaned? If so how?
There are no giveaway scratches on it It must have been diped, But in what.
There seem to be far too much lustre on this for the wear on it.
I would grade it as vf cleaned


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 Posted 12/29/2011  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few coins that look like this and I concluded they must have been sprayed with very fine paint of some sort. Sitting in a cabinet it could fool anyone for lustre but upon closer inspection they all have way too much damage for the amount of lustre. But as far as the colour goes I think its spot.

There is a guy on ebay who has cleaned all of his coins and they look almost identicle to what you have. Most of his are higher grade. He usually has something in the listing along the lines of they have been professionally restored using chemicals.
Does it look like genuine lustre in hand?
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 Posted 12/29/2011  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know the name of it (because I have never used it) however I believe it has been dipped in a chemical which is designed to replicate lustre (I think you can also get a product which places a rainbow tone on coins). While it almost looks lustrous you can actually tell the colour is all wrong, with lustre it should be far brighter and shouldn't have brown showing from below it as in this case.
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 Posted 12/29/2011  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it does look verry lusurous and I got this and another one just like it on ebay from the seller you are talking about I think.
I'll post up the scans when I find it
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 Posted 12/29/2011  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found it
Nice detail in these coins so why on earth wreck them like this


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Some of the coins he has are very nicely detailed but the colour is all wrong. At least he is honest about cleaning in his listings. You should message him and ask what he uses.
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 Posted 12/29/2011  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not that intrested in what was used, I'm more intrested in as to why it was used
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It does seem pretty silly to ruin an otherwise decent coin. Surely he hasn't done it to improve value as no one is that stupid (i hope). Maybe he prefers that look to a genuinely toned example.
I remember seeing a nice example of a 1925 penny in his store. It worries me that he is doing this to nicer examples of our coins.
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 Posted 12/30/2011  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say cleaned and most likely in something ever so slightly acidic. The dead give away is the salmon pink colour. Leaving copper coins in coca cola will do it.
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When I was very young, we had a copper boiler to heat water for washing the clothes, and had to clean it regularly. We used a mixture of lemon juice and salt, and the colour after cleaning was identical to the coins above.

If our lemon tree was not producing, we used vinegar and salt, and I also have a vague recollection of soaking pennies and halfpennies in Holbrooks Worcestershire Sauce to get them nice and clean and a shiny pink colour.

Please don't try this on any coin of value.
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 Posted 12/30/2011  03:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks a lot like some of the fire damaged ones I have cleaned with vinegar.
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Did yours come out lusterous erkle?
The rims on these are mostly dark with no lustre so I think that they wern't dipped.
I wonder if a miniature sand blaster with super fine powder could give this affect.
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one of the 62 pennies I posted here did.
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Just as an experiment, I dug out a 1942 penny and soaked it in Holbrooks Worcestershire Sauce for about 1 hr. This is how it looks now, I should have taken some pictures before the soaking, but forgot to. Duh!

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I'll do another one, but will take pictures before and after.
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 Posted 12/30/2011  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Nancyc
I did a couple of ratty pennys one in salt and vinigar the other in "tarn off" ( I hope the missus dosn't notice I used her stuff) here they are

salt and vinager dip
before


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Tarn off
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they are both ruined now but the salt and vinager one looks less ruined
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but the $64 dollar question is, did it taste better?
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