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Idea On Melted 50 Cents?

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P.S. Ugly,the link in your signature leads to a dead end
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 Posted 01/02/2012  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think they're just working on the site or something, thanks for the heads up DBM.
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I wouldn't let being labeled a coin mass murderer bother me. There have been similar threads here in the past. Several months ago I did a small experiment selling some Morgan & Peace dollars on the forum. I started them BELOW melt. They sold but none got to melt & I didn't get as much as I could have if I sent them to my refiner.

I came to the conclusion that most people that think it's a crime to melt silver coins are not willing to pay to save the coins. It's easy to tell someone else to take a loss & quite another when you ask them to pay to back up their opinion.
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This has turned into an UGLY discussion. I don't understand the attitude of flaunting coins one person alone deems as useless, in front of collectors who would absolutely love to have any of those coins. Words cannot describe my contempt, so I'll stop now before I say something I'll get in trouble for later.

Melt them if you feel you absolutely must, but I for one would rather not hear about it.

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 Posted 01/02/2012  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This time I have to agree.There are MANY halves I don't have yet.Once they go for melt-down I guess I will never own them.
(Please don't take offence.I just don't like the idea of silver melting.The R.C.M. does enough already.)
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 Posted 01/02/2012  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a very open minded individual.

What exactly do you expect me to do with them? Not just this lot, I mean ALL of them. This is a very serious question.

For those in contempt, don't bother, you've made your position known and your attitude precludes you from being impartial. Let's discuss this without the emotion please.
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I just don't understand why you're rubbing it our faces? It's like you are getting extreme joy out of destroying things the rest of us covet and collect.
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with Ugly's above post

Unless the halves are in spectacular condition there's nothing much to do with them other then to get a small pay from melting them.

For those who want common silver halves, quarters or dimes and most likely even dollars just visit your local coin shop and ask for what they're going to send to melt and you'll be surprised at what you'll find.
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Ugly, I see your points, and I really don't have an issue with them. The stuff you send to a refiner is not in collector-grade condition. Silver is silver, and that's that. No one would spend them as legal tender, so why treat them as such? I was watching this documentary about Peruvian gold mining, and the point that they raise is that gold throughout the ages is untraceable and recyclable. I believe that's why gold has been used as money, and it hides regimes very well were it not for the fact that there are collectors out there saving the darned stuff. (That's another discussion entirely, though.) You're a realist, and I respect you for that.

Ugly, what I don't get is when you said, "Disposal becomes a problem because I'm not Asyn." What on Earth does that mean?
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I'm not a coin dealer in my own estimation. I have and continue to buy a lot of mixed collections because I enjoy discovery. Like everyone who handles a lot of coins I sell some.

Mercolver, your belief that I'm trying to make you feel bad is unfounded, please take this offline to email if you wish to discuss.

Obviously this issue is divisive and to keep it going would make me a troll. I made my point, I put the items up, no one bid and I'm going to end it before it becomes more contentious.

I will point out one thing about this thread and it's reactions that I find absolutely FASCINATING...

No one asked me what I saved this month alone. Not one person.
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That is because I made the assumption that you don't save nickel dollars...
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Hi Ugly ... wow, tough crowd, eh?

Ummmm, I'm a bit curious what your cut-off criteria is for determining whether a coin is doomed for the "melting-pot", or whether a coin is "off to the big-show"?

Is it 100% associated with the coins overall value?
Example => the coin's value must be worth more than "X" amount? (how much is a typical 50 cent piece worth in terms of silver nowadays?) ... is that how you determine the coin's fate?

Oh, and sorry about the "Cruella Deville" shot (at the time, I honestly thought that you were merely joking about melting-down the coins) ... who knew?

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That's a very reasonable question Steve. I'm OK with people having their opinions, but they need to learn to not take it like a stake in the heart when someone disagrees with them.

This is all in my opinion, and since the coins I buy are with my money, I'm OK with my opinion.

Basically there's a point for all the denominations and their grades as to when they are considered desirable past their bullion value. This is demonstrated by the actual prices they bring.

If we examine just fifty cent pieces, anything from the 60's must be a 65 before I keep it, from the fifties I'm more lenient on common dates maybe to 63/64 because the strikes were lousy, for the 40's common dates anything uncirculated and not damaged is OK, I put them in rolls and when I have a roll I sell it. As we go farther back in time the criteria changes with the scarcity. Most people want 31-36 of any grade to fill holes and I'm OK with those going for whatever they bring. 1911 to 1920 if it's not a 12, I scrap it. Vicky halves are desirable in pretty much any grade so I keep those. Damage and cleaning alters all the above.

1960's PL's must be a 66, preferably cameo before they are worth bothering with.

Every coin is a judgement call, I make it on every coin.

I thought the "Cruella Deville" scene was really funny BTW, I snorted a drink all over my keyboard and had to swap to a non sticky version. I mean what a classic scene! But these aren't puppies, they are round metal discs and they have no feelings nor lifeblood, treating them as objects is OK, because that is exactly what they are.
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This is not fun, these are my cast offs.


One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Experience has taught me that those who cry loudest about saving coins for collectors are least likely to spend their own money in this noble cause.
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I just don't understand why you're rubbing it our faces? It's like you are getting extreme joy out of destroying things the rest of us covet and collect.


Ugly has offered them for sale. How many did you buy?

I had a woman complain that $15 was too much for a specific Morgan she wanted. I pointed out this was why I dumped most of them to the refiner when silver was higher.


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I think it's terrible that a collector would melt coins down.


"Why? Should I have held them for ten years so you could tell me that $15 was too much, when I could sell anything I had for twice that much?"


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Um, er, hmm. Duh.
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