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Playing With Lighting (Axial Vs. Direct)

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 Posted 01/16/2012  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! I'll make sure that's set up correctly tonight. I have just noticed a slight amount of focus problems, but I wasn't sure if it was a plane problem with my lens/copy stand or if the coin was not sitting flat in the NGC holder. If it's the camera and copy stand that's a universal fix....but when it's the coin in the holder then it causes a bit more grief and calls for creative fixes like propping up the holder on one side.

Thanks again!
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 Posted 01/17/2012  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having the mirror permanently mounted on the stage is giving me some more insight and ideas on lighting. I got to thinking that being able to get the lights as close to the edge of the coin, without shining too much directly on it in axial fashion, might be useful especially for slab photos. Taking this to an extreme would be a ring of illumination whose reflection lands just outside the diameter of the coin. But ring illuminators produce no luster, minimal shadows, and generally give a flat appearance. But might not partial rings, centered in the usual 10 / 2 arrangement, produce something useful?

To test the theory I took a piece of black paper and cut a 40mm diameter curve across it. I separated the pieces by a few mm and taped them together, basically creating a curved gap between them. I taped a piece of diffuser paper in place to cover the gap, then taped two such assemblies to a pair of Jansjos. I then arranged the reflection patterns of the two so their direct reflections stayed (mostly) outside the diameter of the coin field. Here's what the reflection patterns look like:

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And here is what my 57D Toner looks like under this illumination (raw):

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And here is the same coin under in an acrylic holder to simulate photographing in a slab:

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What do you think?
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 Posted 01/17/2012  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ray, I think the lighting looks really great, but can you also take a photo of the slitted black diffusers attached to the Jansjos? I can't get a feel for the exact construction from the reflection photo. Thanks!
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 Posted 01/17/2012  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure...here is one of them. Guess I'll call them "Smile Directors"...Ray

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 Posted 01/17/2012  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The results are fantastic!
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 Posted 01/17/2012  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Forgot to mention I am back taking pics with the 75ARD1. Shipped the stand with the 75/4 EL Nikkor to its new happy home...Ray
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 Posted 01/17/2012  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My 75ARD1 is supposed to arrive today!
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 Posted 01/17/2012  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a photo of 1953-S/S RPM#11 MS65 RD in ANACS slab using this technique:

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When I got home from work today I had a package waiting for me at the front door. Of course, it was around 10 degrees outside and so I was worried about being too anxious about opening the package and not letting it adjust to the inside temperature. Inside the package was my 75mm/4.0 APO-Rodagon-D 1:1 lens.

I let the lens adjust to the inside temperature for around 1.5 hours, just to be certain that it didn't fog up or condense any moisture on the lens. While it was warming up, I was messing around with my set-up and assuring that the camera lens plane was parallel with the object plane of the coins I had been photographing. Needless to say, it was off (as I suspected), so I engineered a little wooden wedge piece and taped it up in electrical table for grip.

So, the process went:

1) Attach the 75ARD1 Lens to my bellows.

2) Assure that the planes were still parallel between my camera sensor and the copy stand using Ray's mirror method.

3) Adjust the white balance to the particular lens (I have found that not only can the light sources have a large effect on WB, but particular lenses can also have lesser but important effects -- my OCD forces me to reset the WB with each newly attached lens).

4) Find my trusty 1917 Wheatie, and shoot away.

The results, direct from the camera and resized to 800px square (obverse and reverse) and full size zoomed in shots (Lincoln's face and the date) are below. I did NO post-processing for color, contrast, sharpening, etc. I shot at f/8. The images speak for themselves, and I have to say, this lens lives up to EVERYTHING that people have said. It's a gem, and I hope everyone can snag one of these for < $300 like I did.

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 Posted 01/17/2012  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heh. You didn't think we were lyin', did ya?

Now you know what I meant when I said, "so sharp it hurts." I'm still searching for the lighting I like for lustrous Morgan-size coins, but out of the box and lighting-independent this 75ARD simply outclasses anything I've ever used on any other coin I've thrown at it.

I would *dearly* love to subject the Rodenstock to Imatest, but I can't afford it.
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 Posted 01/17/2012  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't think you were lying, but I'm worried people will think I'm doctoring my photos or something because the dang lens is so crazy good. I've never felt like I needed to "unsharpen" a photo before.
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 Posted 01/17/2012  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, just for the fun of it and because I'm in disbelief I just took these pictures as well. They are both through plastic slabs. I did ZERO post-processing, only rotation, crop circular, and resize to 800px square.



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 Posted 01/17/2012  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like you got a good copy of the lens. Given the description it should have been, but you never know. I've purchased a couple of these I had to send back due to haze, scratch and coatings problems. And one of the ones I bought just did not produce the same quality of image for some reason. But yours looks to produce a super sharp image across the whole field so you did not get unlucky...Ray

PS, on subject of sharpening, unless I am doing a shootout to compare lenses, I always do a sharpening of "1" at the final published size. I will occasionally sharpen at "1" prior to downsizing, but in general that does almost nothing to the image. No matter how sharp the lens, the camera will leave a bit of sharpness on the table, as do all the jpg conversion algorithms I've used. That final sharpening of "1" seems to just compensate for the sharpness lost in the conversion process.
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 Posted 01/17/2012  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, Ray, taking your advice, I just shot a prooflike dime that I have. I rescaled to 800px square, and then sharpened by 0.5 in Adobe Photoshop CS4. I could never get this coin to look good before, but now it looks crazy amazing! I'm on cloud nine with this lens!

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 Posted 01/18/2012  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's about as pretty as it gets...Ray

PS I do see about 1/2-degree tilt clockwise on your reverse. The EPU is not quite level ;-)
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