1859 Brass Cent Vs 1859 9/6

So? Do you have one coming? I was so tempted to buy the ef on ebay but the kids want to eat.

You have been chasing Canadian varieties for... what, 8-10 months? So because you don't know populations that actually exist, and (from previous posts on this forum with other varieties) you do not accept evidence contrary to population reports that are erroneous in the first place (see the old 1954 NSF thread), even from collectors well established and published in this hobby, so therefore it must be rare? Trust me, more than 5 people have the 1859/6 squirreled away, it is a repunched die variety, and those people would look at you like you were crazy, should you suggest to them to send it to a TPG. Why would they do that? The variety folks want the coin raw, they want to study the die cracks, check the broken leaf and vine stems, compare their observations with others, etc... it is a niche that will never see the demand of mainstream Canadian collections. More importantly, that is the pleasure they get out of this hobby. They will never sell those coins for a fortune, they are more likely to trade it for another variety, or sell it deeply discounted, so that a variety peer can reap the same pleasure. Why do you think Mr. Turner published his books? To hoard and make money from 1858 scarce die pairings? Because he wanted his friends to make money? Heck no, it is because of the passion for a series of coins, the desire to research and learn, and to share the results of a labour of love. The trade you speak of with the mint state 1859/6 was between two friends, who wanted to make each other happy with things they truly love and collect - not because they wanted to make money. The 1858 10c was the icing on the cake - you will probably never know the other coin that sealed the trade. I know this, I was at the same table during the trade, not that you will believe anything I state (why start now, it is merely heresay)...

How many "very rare" 1859 DP#5 do you want to buy - I'll trade you 5 for any Victorian 50c in mint state grade. You can pick the year.

Seriously, if it was that rare and valuable, do you not think it would take you longer than one RCNA auction to acquire one? There are at least 35-50 of them in the hands of the large cent gang (you already know a few of them from the CCC Site), one collector has 8 or 9 of them. Another collector has been finding all kinds of varieties in New England coin shops (nobody bothered to look before). That, is not rare.

Didn't we already have this discussion of what 'rare' means? https://goccf.com/t/100054&whichpage=4

Now, you are putting the 'very' adjective in front of 'rare' to describe these coins? And you want these repunched dies to become famous? What for? Do you actually think ANY of the mainstream large cent variety crowd, some of whom have been around for more than a decade, will actually want to buy one? Heck no, they are a patient bunch, and they would rather hunt one out of a junk bin, or make trades with friends.

The Canadian coin market is most definitely not the same as the US coin market. Die varieties will never enjoy the same price elevations as they do in the US market. For one, the demand is not like there with a huge collector base. Demand drives everything... look at the 2006P non-magnetic cent. Hard to find, but not rare - yet, everyone wants one, so the price is set by the demand. Even better, compare the population of the 1859 brass cent with the NFLD 1873 5c Obv #1... but you can buy one in VG for about $2K (I could have bought 3 in the past year alone), but an ugly corroded 1859 brass is at least 5 times as much at the last Torex, with a higher population. Why... simply demand. The demand is so very low for NFLD coins, it is ridiculous how cheap you can buy really, really low mintage coins. (Dealers actually hate NFLD coins in their inventory, they commonly say that the only thing scarcer than some NFLD coins, is finding a NFLD collector).

You can try all you want to boost the profile of Canadian die varieties for whatever rea$ons you want, but you are already preaching to the converted, to a congregation of less than 40 who will never, ever, pay the prices that you envision.

/end rant...

The demand in brass cents was caused because people find gross errors to be attractive from a collectable standpoint. Minor errors are attractive to a much narrower audience. This is marketing fact, this is human nature. The greater the perceived shift from a normal product the more likely it is to be highly thought of.

Hyundai or Lamborghini ?
McChoknPuke or Ruth's Chris ?
Third Class or Deck Cabin ?
New Zealand Mule or twonie Hiker die chip error?
Minor re punch or brass planchet?

Rarity doesn't matter. If there is only one restaurant in Winnipeg with a health notice on the door, then that makes it a rare event. Very few seek to eat there however. A repunch isn't quit the vomitorium of numismatics, but neither is it a widely celebrated event. It's celebrated among a few who are interested, just like a health notice is likely only celebrated among those interested.

You post a fair bit about the perceived lack of value in varieties thus I must ask - What is it you want from varieties? A broader market to sell to? To become a highly famed author? To make money from this? I ask because I don't know what your goals are here. When I post with a rant, there's no question of the outcome I desire, throw us a bone and do the same please.

Coin collecting is fun....isn't it?

More fun than collecting coils, I would guess.

He was clowning with you Coiladdict literally, look at Fred's signature line and his ecrater metal detector store.

:D