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 Posted 01/10/2012  9:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ok straight forward I'm not a fan of buying PM's off of ebay. I believe it is not safe and a higher percentage of fakes are sold on ebay.

Of course when buying any PM's the buyer should take the responsibility of learning about what he/she is buying.

It is just to easy to sell fakes on ebay when you can't touch and feel what you are buying.

When it comes to selling that is the wrong time to find out you have nothing to sell.

So just how big is the Chinese factories and how good are they? The answer is that they are getting better.

Take a look at this link and you might have a heart attack the next time you find a deal on ebay.

http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoin...eiting-Ring/

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 Posted 01/10/2012  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You may want to ask me to prove my case. How do I know that ebay is full of fakes? Those are good questions. Well here is some additional info.

http://home.comcast.net/~reidgold/d.../page_7.html

This is enough to at least make you think.
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 Posted 01/10/2012  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ebay's not all bad. Any saturated market will have its share of honest and crooked sellers. As long as the seller has a good track record, provides returns, and posts detailed pictures, I don't see why not. All that, of course, is built on the premise that the buyer did enough research on his/her own.
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 Posted 01/10/2012  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have read the various Chinese coin counterfeiting stories from Coin World digital magazine early last year.

Our government can't seem to control the amount of fakes coming into the US, or do anything about it, one thing I avoid is buying large lot on ebay.
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01/10/2012 10:27 pm
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 Posted 01/10/2012  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pics you sent a link to are from the guy that was kicked off of ebay over a year ago. He was probably the largest Chinese replica/fake seller with pages and pages of ebay auctions. He is still in business (somewhere) - but not on ebay.

How do I know? B/c this guy is the one I bought some replicas from to help myself get educated on detecting fakes. I kept in touch with him so as to keep updated as to what is going on. I posted some of his coins in older threads so I could share the info on detecting this guys handiwork. The pics in the link you gave were on his website which was showing the workings of the factory.

I have not been able to take pic of the other remaining ones I got to post more pics - this is my intention - but health does not always let me get things done the way I want to and when I do get the opportunity, something else a little more exciting to me or urgent has cropped up.

I figure as long as this topic is coming up again, I will post the former links if anyone is interested:
Replica list
https://goccf.com/t/88820

Replica tombac 1944 Canadian Nickel
https://goccf.com/t/88814

Scroll down for links to my (struck on silver) 1798 silver dollar and replica 1804
https://goccf.com/t/87237

1925 Canadian Nickel (horrible) copy:
https://goccf.com/t/86978

1926 near, far, and counterfeit 6 Canadian nickel
https://goccf.com/t/86970

1948 Canadian dollar (made out of silver but made a big mistake also!):
https://goccf.com/t/88812

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Another issue that most people don't think of is that people who bought fakes still don't know they are fakes. Anyone want to guess where they are reselling them.

I don't blame them they have no idea what they have. They have great ebay track records and are honest people. A lot of this fake silver is coming back into the market as people are trying to sell what they bought a few years back.

Eduction is key however, how many people take the time to do this. In addition some of the fakes are so good most people do not know what to look for.

Here is an interesting case, where you think this person would have figured it out first. Maybe it was greed or the good deal that was his downfall.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...ab=video&c=y
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 Posted 01/10/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really doubt someone is faking US Mint silver proof sets on ebay so I guess I'm still OK. I don't buy the old stuff.
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 Posted 01/11/2012  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mpc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I really doubt someone is faking US Mint silver proof sets on ebay so I guess I'm still OK. I don't buy the old stuff.

There are countless fake eagles and buffalo coins.
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I'm very new - how do you quickly learn to tell the fakes? I realize everything takes time, but are there specific areas in the forum I need to read? I've bought from a reputable coin dealer locally so I hope so far I'm learning as I go. Thanks for any advice.
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I'm very new - how do you quickly learn to tell the fakes? I realize everything takes time, but are there specific areas in the forum I need to read? I've bought from a reputable coin dealer locally so I hope so far I'm learning as I go. Thanks for any advice.

For starters you should get a scale and some measuring tool and make sure it meets the specs. Check to make sure the design matches as well.

Also check in youtube there are videos of various tests you can perform including the magnetic slide.
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That new lady on the original storage wars, Ursala seems like is her name, bought this great locker for 500. It had a 300 dollar sofa in it right of the top, and some other miscellaneous that got her 500 investment back.....

Then, she hit the MOTHERLOAD, small proof sets to start, nothing much 5 to 10 bucks each, 15 here 20 there. Then they hit the 90% silver an some basement grade Morgans and the total started up nicely. Five hundred bucks worth of some nice old paper currency in sealed plastic...

Before you knew it, the coin guy said she had about 1600 worth of coins, all profit. The last thing she had the coin guy saved for last, via a sheet of old coins. Like 8, most notably a real old Eagle, like late 1800's. It turned out to be the only real one. And the others in that pack they were all excited about all stuck to the magnet, FAKES. Silver does not magnetize, so good place to start on the hunt for a fake.....

There was a fake 1872 Trade dollar, and if it had been real, it would have been worth a $1000 alone the coin expert said. The guy who bought it, no doubt he didn't know, you could tell that was a hand picked collection. And that locker was old, like 15 to 20 years, so just goes to show fakes have been around for years....

I know I am long winded, but another great show on history shows how an ex con turned good does what he does. Everything from the old accidental bump, via con drops the OLD cell phone that is designed to fall apart, and gets victim to give you a quick 20 out of guilt. Half of the 40 dollar temporary cheap phone cost, which the con needs replaced for work emergency of course. You can stand on a corner an take 20's all day, as he showed....

Don't get get holding the cat in the bag, ever heard that?

Going back well over a hundred years, more like hundreds of years, they would put your nice pig you bought in bag, distraction, switch out, you get home to find an old alley cat in the bag, not dinner. Be smart, there out there....

He executed it with a laptop Craigslist scam. He met two potential buyers for lunch in public, one was his partner. The replacement box had a rock in it, he formed distraction with his partner gal who said she needed take the laptop to where her boyfriend was so he could see it. He leaves the brick (hidden in exact same laptop box similar weight you see), and as he puts guys money in jacket. He then quickly switches envelopes in his inner coat pocket, pulling BACK out the fake envelope with papers NOT money, giving it back to potential buyer. Saying no worries hold this and the OTHER laptop in box, I will be right back. Later victim learns he holds just a rock an paper, and of course the con made off with the real prop lab top and his 300 via the great deal he found on Craigslist rof.....

The Nigerian money exchange con is amazing how they set it up, take the guy they plan out to dinner to establish trust, the entire 9 yards. Be weary I say, be very weary.....
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01/12/2012 02:05 am
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Another issue that most people don't think of is that people who bought fakes still don't know they are fakes. Anyone want to guess where they are reselling them.


Country auctions.

At least in Ahia, auctioneers are not expected to be experts about everything they sell. When neighbor George quits farming and his stuff goes on the block, they find he was a coin collector. He might have had a couple IHC and a dateless Buffalo nickel, but all those Ch Gem BU Morgans and circulated gold pieces were prolly from a buddy of the auctioneer.

The Morgans are slippery (slider Unc = AU) and the gold is either damaged or fake, often containing the right amount of gold, but that's cool, since some old farmer with cash will hold his paddle up until he gets it, because he heard that gold's a good thing to have (but not at 20-50% over market).
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 Posted 01/12/2012  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, terrib!

To learn fakes, you study. Look at known good coins, then compare them to a questionable one. Weight and measuring help, too--in the EZ Pawn example, weight was a dead giveaway, and no one who has bought coins for 20 years should have been suckered by them.
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Maybe it was greed or the good deal that was his downfall.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/..ab=video&c=y


Absolutely. No coin buyer with 20 years experience should have been fooled by coins that failed both the ring and weight tests, both of which he could do.

Then we find the truth. 20 Morgans worth $400 as scrap at the time, including a $20,000 1893s, and he paid $400.

He deserved what he got, on at least three counts.
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There was a fake 1872 Trade dollar, and if it had been real, it would have been worth a $1000 alone the coin expert said

Another idiot "expert". Trade dollars weren't minted until 1873.
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