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CCFPress Press Manager United States 1420 Posts	Posted 01/13/2012 08:44 am American Numismatic Association Items from the ANA Money Museum collection The American Numismatic Association is dedicated to recovering every item from the Money Museum's collection. Wyatt Yeager pled guilty on Jan. 12 to stealing the following coins between the months of January and March, 2007. Some have been recovered; some were sold through auction companies and their whereabouts are known; some are still missing. It is illegal to own property from a cultural institution, even if it was purchased through a legitimate source. Click here to read the ANA's news release. A link to the U.S. Department of Justice press release can be found here. For questions, media inquiries or you have information that may lead to the recovery of these coins, please call 719-482-9841. This list will be updated as more information becomes available. The following list is divided into two tables -- the first table represents mostly U.S. coins. The second table represents coins that were sold through a German auction house. Country Date/mm Denomination Grade Material Australia 1813 "Holey Dollar" 5 Shillings - Spalding 20 EF Silver Australia 1813 "Dump" 15 Pence - Mira dies A/1 VF+ Silver Belgium 1835 / 3 2 Centimes - KM 4.2 EF Bronze Canada 1914 C Sovereign - Seaby 3997 EF Gold Great Britain 1839 1/2 Sovereign, Proof - Seaby 3859 MS Gold Great Britain 1887 5 Pounds, Proof - Seaby 3864 MS Gold Great Britain 1937 5 Pounds, Proof - Seaby 4074 MS Gold Great Britain 1937 2 Pounds, Proof - Seaby 4075 MS Gold Great Britain 1937 Half Sovereign, Proof - Seaby 4077 MS Gold Great Britain 1994 100 Pounds - Seaby 4282 Unc Gold Great Britain 1799 Farthing - Seaby 3779 EF Bronze Great Britain 1821 Sixpence - Seaby 3813 Unc Silver Great Britain 1844 1/3 Farthing - Seaby 3952 Unc Bronze Great Britain 1902 Crown - Seaby 3979 EF Silver Mexico 1732 F 8 Reales - KM 103 VF Silver Mexico 1733 MF 8 Reales - KM 103 EF Silver Mexico 1799 FM 8 Escudo - KM 158 EF Gold U.S. 1795 $5 Half Eagle - Breen 6414 AU-50 Gold U.S. 1869 $5 Half Eagle - Breen 6671 Pr-63 Gold U.S. 1799 $10 Eagle - Breen 6840 EF-45 Gold U.S. 1841 O $10 Eagle - Breen 6855 AU-50 Gold U.S. 1866 Nickel Pattern - Judd 481 Pr-64 Nickel U.S. 1883 Nickel Pattern - Judd 1709 Pr-64 Aluminum U.S. 1870 Standard Quarter Pattern - Judd 897 Pr-63BN Copper U.S. 1836 Gobrecht Dollar Pattern - Judd 60 Pr-61 Silver U.S. 1915 S $1 Panama Pacific Exposition Commemorative MS-65 Gold U.S. 1915 S $2.50 Panama Pacific Exposition Commemorative MS-65 Gold U.S. 1852 Half Cent - 1st Restrike - Breen 1622 Pr-65BN Copper U.S. 1853 Half Cent - Breen 1624 MS-64BN Copper U.S. 1855 Half Cent - Breen 1626 MS-64BN Copper U.S. 1858/7 Die Stage A Flying Eagle cent - Snow 1 MS-63 Copper U.S. 1858 Flying Eagle Cent - Snow PR1 Pr-64CA Copper U.S. 1859 Indian Cent - Breen 1944 Pr-64 Copper U.S. 1863 Indian Cent Pattern - Judd 302 Pr-66CA Copper U.S. 1877 Indian Cent - Breen 1994 Pr-64RB Copper U.S. 1905 $1 Lewis & Clark Commemorative MS-64 Gold U.S. 1864 Indian Cent Pattern - Judd 360 Proof Oroide U.S. 1873 2 Cent Piece (Open 3) Pr-64BN Copper U.S. 1878 3 Cent Piece - Breen 2440 Pr-65 Nickel U.S. 1856 Flying Eagle Cent - Snow 9 Pr Copper U.S. 1909 S Indian Head Cent - Breen 2051 MS-65 RD Copper U.S. 1864 Two Cent Small Motto - Breen 2371 MS-64 BN Copper U.S. 1872 Two Cent - Breen 2407 Pr-65 Copper U.S. 1837 Seated Liberty Half Dime - Breen 3007 AU-55 Silver U.S. 1843 Seated Liberty Half Dime - Breen 3031 MS-60 Silver U.S. 1879 CC Morgan Dollar - VAM 3 Unc Silver U.S. 1922 Peace Dollar - "railroad" edge broadstrike AU Silver U.S. 1801 $10 Capped Bust Eagle - Breen 6843 AU 58 Gold U.S. 1929 $5 Indian Half Eagle - Breen 6829 MS 63 Gold KÃ¼nker Auction List The following items were sold through KÃ¼nker Auctions of Germany between March and October, 2008. Country Date/mm Denomination Material Auction Reference Italian Eritrea 1891 Talero silver Dav 27 England,Edward VI 1551 Crown silver S 2478 England, Commonwealth 1649-60 1/2 Groat silver S 3221 England, Commonwealth 1652 6 pence silver S 3219 England, Commonwealth 1653 Crown silver S 3214 England, Commonwealth 1653 1/2 Crown silver S 3215 England, Cromwell 1658 Crown silver S 3226 England,Charles II 1662 Crown silver S 3353 England,Charles II 1665 Farthing silver S 529 England,Charles II 1665 Farthing silver S 529 England,Charles II 1676 Crown silver S 338 England,Charles II 1676 Crown silver S 3358 England,William & Mary 1692 Crown silver S 3433 England,William III 1696 6 Pence silver S 3520 England,William III 1699 Farthing silver S 3558 England,Anne 1707 Crown silver S 3578 England,Anne 1707 Crown silver S 3600 England,George I 1718 Crown silver S 3639 England,George I 1723 Crown silver S 3640 England,George II 1741 Crown silver S 3687 England,George II 1743 Crown silver S 3688 England,George III 1788 1/2 Penny bronze England,George III 1804 Bank dollar silver S 3768 England,George IV 1821 Crown silver S 3805 England,George IV 1822 Crown silver S 3805 England,George IV 1826 Crown silver S 3806 England,William IV 1831 Crown silver S 3833 England, Victoria 1844 / 1845 2 Crowns silver S 3882 England, Victoria 1847 Crown silver S 3882 Scotland, Mary 1557 Teston silver S 5406 Scotland, James VI 1582 20 Shillings silver S 5489 British West Indies 1896 B Trade Dollar silver KM T5 British West Indies 1934 B Trade Dollar silver KM T5 British West Indies 1897, 1900, '01, '51 3xTrade Dollar, Crown silver Mexico, Republic 1844 MO-MM 8 Reales silver KM Pn69 Holy Roman Empire, Ferdinand I 1529 1/4 Thaler klippe silver Markl 291 Holy Roman Empire, Charles VI 1737 Reichs Thaler silver D. 1055 Austria,Francis I 1815 Convention Thaler silver D. 6 Austria,Francis I 1830 Convention Thaler silver D. 9 Austria,Franz Joseph I 1854 2 Gulden silver D. 19 Austria,Franz Joseph I 1866 2 Gulden silver D. 25 Germany, Bavaria, Maximillian I 1806 Convention Thaler silver D. 548 Germany, Bavaria, Ludwig I 1838 2 Thaler silver D. 582 Germany, Bavaria, Ludwig I 1845 2 Thaler silver D. 592 Germany, Bavaria, Maximillian II 1848 2 Thaler silver D. 599 Germany, Bavaria, Maximillian II 1849 2 Thaler silver D. 602 Germany, Bavaria, Maximillian II 1854 2 Thaler silver D. 603 Germany, Bavaria, Maximillian II 1856 2 Thaler silver D. 605 Germany, Bavaria, Maximillian II 1860 2 Thaler silver D. 607 Germany, Prussia, Friedrich Wilhelm III 1828 Thaler silver D. 762 Germany, Prussia, Friedrich Wilhelm III 1840 2 Thaler silver D. 765 Germany, Prussia, Friedrich Wilhelm IV 1859 2 Thaler silver D. 777 Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, Julius 1589 Reichs Thaler silver D. 9068 Germany, Hesse-Darmstadt, Ludwig I 1819 Thaler silver D. 699 Germany, Hesse-Darmstadt, Ludwig II 1833 Thaler silver D. 701 Germany, Julich-Cleves-Berg, Joachim Murat 1807 Thaler silver D. 625 Germany,Lippe, Paul Alexander Leopold 1843 2 Thaler silver D. 724 Germany,Nassau, Wilhelm 1831 Thaler silver D. 742 Germany,Nassau, Adolf 1840 2 Thaler silver D. 744 Germany,Nassau, Adolf 1854 2 Thaler silver D. 745 Germany, Nuremberg, Francis I 1745 Thaler silver D. 2483 Germany, Nuremberg, Francis I 1754 Thaler silver D. 2484 Germany, Regensberg, Leopold I 1694 Thaler silver D. 5773 Germany, Reuss-Obergreiz, Henry XX 1841 2 Thaler silver D. 797 Germany, Reuss-Schleiz, Henry LXII 1843 2 Thaler silver D. 801 Germany, Reuss-Ebersdorf, Henry LXXII 1847 2 Thaler silver D. 806 Germany, Reuss-Ebersdorf, Henry LXXII 1847 2 Thaler silver D. 805 Germany,Saxony, Frederick August I 1824 Thaler silver D. 862 Germany,Saxony, John 1854 Thaler silver D.884 Germany, Saxony-Weimar, Carl Alexander 1855 2 Thaler silver D. 846 Germany, Schaumburg-Lippe, George William 1802 Thaler silver D. 907 Germany, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, Ludwig Gunther II 1786 Thaler silver D. 2771 Germany,Ulm, Siege piece 1704 Siege Gulden silver Nau 156 Germany, Waldeck, George 1811 Thaler silver D. 923 Germany, Waldeck, George Victor 1856 2 Thaler silver D. 928 Germany, Wurttemberg, Frederick II 1803 Thaler silver D. 935 Germany, Wurttemberg, William I 1824 2 Gulden silver D. 951 Germany, Wurttemberg, William I 1825 Thaler silver D. 954 14 coins- Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1599 Thaler silver Schwarzburg 1862 Thaler silver Austria, Habsburg, Ferdinand 1835 Thaler silver Austria, Habsburg, Ferdinand 1853 Thaler silver Austria 1866 2 Thaler silver Austria 1867 2 Gulden silver Austria 1875 Gulden silver Austria 1809 20 Kreuzer silver Belgium 1833 5 Francs silver Denmark 1863 2 Rigsdaler silver 4 coins of Bolivia and Mexico, No information Austria, Republic & Franz Joseph I 1928, 1877 25 Schilling, Ducat gold J. 436, J. 344 Germany, Brunswick, Ernst August 1915 3 Mark silver J. 55 Germany, Brunswick, Ernst August 1915 5 Mark silver J. 56 Germany,Bremen 1906 5 Mark silver J. 60 Germany,Hesse, Ludwig IV 1888 5 Mark silver J. 69 Germany,Hesse, Ludwig IV 1891 5 Mark silver J. 71 Germany,Hesse, Ernst Ludwig 1895 5 Mark silver J. 73 Germany,Hesse, Ernst Ludwig 1917 3 Mark silver J. 77 Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Frederick Franz IV 1901 2 Mark silver J. 85 Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Frederick Franz IV 1904 5 Mark silver J. 87 Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Frederick Franz IV 1915 5 Mark silver J. 89 Germany, Oldenburg, Frederick August 1900 5 Mark silver J. 95 Germany, Prussia, Wilhelm II 1888 A 5 Mark silver J. 101 Germany, Prussia, Wilhelm II 1915 A 3 Mark silver J. 115 Germany,Saxony, Albert 1889 5 Mark silver J. 123 Germany, Saxony-Altenburg, Ernst 1901 5 Mark silver J. 143 Germany, Saxony-Coburg-Gotha, Alfred 1895 5 Mark silver J. 146 Germany, Saxony-Coburg-Gotha, Carl Edward 1907 5 Mark silver J. 148 Germany, Saxony-Weimar-Eisenach Carl Alexander 1892 2 Mark silver J. 156 Germany, Saxony-Weimar-Eisenach Carl Alexander 1898 2 Mark silver J. 156 Germany, Schaumburg-Lippe, George 1898 5 Mark silver J. 165 Germany, Waldeck-Pyrmont, Frederick 1903 5 Mark silver J. 171 Germany, Wurttemberg, Wilhelm II 1916 3 Mark silver J. 178 Germany,Weimar Republic 1927 F 5 Reichsmark silver J. 329 Germany,Weimar Republic 1929 A 5 Reichsmark silver J. 331 Germany,Weimar Republic 1928 D 3 Reichsmark silver J. 332 Germany,Weimar Republic 1928 D 3 Reichsmark silver J. 334 Germany,Weimar Republic 1930 A 5 Reichsmark silver J. 346 Germany,Weimar Republic 1931 A 3 Reichsmark silver J. 347 Germany,Weimar Republic 1932 F 5 Reichsmark silver J. 351 Germany,Third Reich 1934 F 5 Reichsmark silver J. 359 Germany, Bundesrepublik 1952 D 5 Deutschmark silver J. 388 Germany, Bundesrepublik 1955 G 5 Deutschmark silver J. 390 Germany, Bundesrepublik 1957 5 Deutschmark silver J. 391 Germany, Bundesrepublik 3 x 5 Deutchmark silver J. 389, 391, 393 German Democratic Republic 1966 2 x 10 Mark, 1 x 10 Mark 2 x J. 1517, 1518 Germany,Danzig 1932 5 Gulden silver J. 17D17 7 coins - Germany, Weimar Republic 1927 F 5 Reichsmark silver J. 329 Germany,Weimar Republic 1928 D 3 Reichsmark silver J. 332 Germany,Weimar Republic 1929 E 5 Reichsmark silver J. 339 Germany,Weimar Republic 1929 A 5 Reichsmark silver J. 341 Germany,Third Reich 1934 F 5 Reichsmark silver J. 359 Germany,Empire, Luneburg 1915 3 Mark silver J. 57 Germany,Empire 1875 5 Mark silver J. 173 Austria,Holy Roman Empire, Franz Joseph I 1857 A 2 Thaler silver D. 20, J. 320 Austria,Holy Roman Empire, Franz Joseph I 1873 2 Gulden silver D. 29, J. 367 Austria,Holy Roman Empire, Franz Joseph I 1877 Thaler silver D. 30, J. 371 Germany, Anhalt-Kothen, Henry 1840 2 Thaler silver D. 507 Germany, Baden-Durlach, Carl Leopold Frederick 1832 Thaler silver D. 520 Germany, Bavaria, Maximilian I Joseph 1803 Thaler silver D. 546 Germany, Bavaria, Maximilian I Joseph 1822 Thaler silver D. 554 Germany, Bavaria, Ludwig I 1839 2 Thaler silver D. 584 Germany, Bavaria, Ludwig I 1845 2 Thaler silver D. 589 Germany, Bavaria, Ludwig I 1846 2 Thaler silver D. 595 Germany, Bavaria, Ludwig I 1848 2 Thaler silver D. 597 Germany, Bavaria, Maximilian II 1848 2 Thaler silver D. 598 Germany, Bavaria, Maximilian II 1862 2 Thaler silver D. 608 Germany, Bavaria, Maximilian II 1869 2 Thaler silver D. 610 Germany, Prussia, Frederick I 1701 Thaler silver D. 2554 A Germany, Prussia, Frederick I 1702 Thaler silver D. 2555 Germany, Prussia, Frederick William III 1812 A Thaler silver D. 757 Germany, Prussia, William I 1862 A 2 Thaler silver D. 779 Germany, Prussia, William I 1865 A 2 Thaler silver D. 783 Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, August the Younger 1643 Thaler silver D. 6371 Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, August the Younger 1659 Thaler silver D. 6353 Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, Rudolph August 1671 Thaler silver D. 6383 Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, Carl I 1752 Thaler silver D. 2160 Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, Carl I 1752 Thaler silver D. 2167 Germany, Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, Carl I 1752 Thaler silver D. 2157 Germany, Brunswick-Calenberg-Hannover, John Frederick 1668 Thaler silver D. 6569 Germany, Brunswick-Calenberg-Hannover, George I 1714 Thaler silver D. 2069 Germany, Brunswick-Calenberg-Hannover, George II 1749 Thaler silver D. 2100 Germany, Brunswick-Calenberg-Hannover, George V 1854 B 2 Thaler silver D. 680 Germany, Frankfurt 1849 2 Gulden silver D. 645 Germany, Frankfurt, Carl Theodor von Dalberg 1808 Thaler silver D. 808 Germany, Hesse-Cassel, Wilhelm II 1847 2 Thaler silver D. 694 Germany, Hesse-Homburg, Philip August Frederick 1846 2 Gulden silver D. 713 Germany, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, Carl 1845 2 Gulden silver D. 720 Germany, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, Carl 1846 2 Thaler silver D. 719 Germany, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, Carl Anton 1849 2 Gulden silver D. 721 Germany, Julich-Cleve-Berg, Joachim Murat 1806 Thaler silver D. 624 Germany,Nassau, Frederick William 1809 Thaler silver J. 23 Germany,Nassau, Frederick William 1811 Thaler silver D. 735 Germany,Nassau, Adolph 1863 Thaler silver D. 749 Germany, Oldenburg, Paul Frederick August 1840 2 Thaler silver D. 751 Germany, Reuss-Obergreiz, Henry XIII 1806 Thaler silver D. 794 Germany, Reuss-Obergreiz, Henry XIII 1807 Thaler silver D. 795 Germany, Reuss-Schleiz, Henry LXII 1844 2 Thaler silver D. 800 Germany, Reuss-Ebersdorf, Henry XXIV 1765 Thaler silver D. 2642 Germany, Reuss-Ebersdorf, Henry LI 1812 Thaler silver D. 804 Germany,Saxony, Frederick August I 1717 Thaler silver D. 2658 Germany,Saxony, Frederick August II 1748 Thaler silver D. 2665 Germany,Saxony, Frederick August II 1755 Thaler silver D. 2671 Germany,Saxony, Frederick August I 1807 Thaler silver D. 854 Germany,Saxony, Frederick August I 1816 Thaler silver D. 856 A Germany,Saxony, Anton 1830 Thaler silver D. 992 Germany,Saxony, Anton 1836 G Thaler silver D. 871 Germany,Saxony, Frederick August II 1836 G Thaler silver D. 872 B Germany,Saxony, Frederick August II 1839 G Thaler silver D. 876 Germany,Saxony, Johan 1856 F Thaler silver D. 888 Germany, Saxe-Weimar, Carl August 1813 Thaler silver D. 842 Germany, Saxe-Weimar, Carl August 1815 Thaler silver D. 843 Germany, Saxe-Weimar, Carl Frederick 1840 2 Thaler silver D. 844 Germany, Saxe-Meinengen, Bernhard Erich Freund 1841 2 Thaler silver D. 834 Germany, Saxe-Meinengen, Bernhard Erich Freund 1853 2 Thaler silver D. 836 Germany, Saxe-Meinengen, Bernhard Erich Freund 1859 Thaler silver D. 838 Germany, Saxe-Meinengen, George II 1867 Thaler silver D. 839 Germany, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Ernst I 1827 Thaler silver D. 817 Germany, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Ernst I 1829 Thaler silver D. 818 Germany, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Ernst I 1841 2 Thaler silver D. 819 Germany, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Ernst II 1847 2 Thaler silver D. 822 Germany, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Ernst II 1854 2 Thaler silver D. 824 Germany, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Ernst II 1862 Thaler silver D. 826 Germany, Schwazburg-Sonderhausen, Gunther Friedrich Carl II 1854 2 Thaler silver D. 920 Germany, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, Friedrich Gunther 1812 Thaler silver D. 912 Germany, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, Friedrich Gunther 1845 2 Thaler silver D. 913 Germany, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, Friedrich Gunther 1846 2 Gulden silver D. 914 Germany, Solms-Laubach, Christian August 1770 Thaler silver D. 2785 Germany, Solms-Laubach, Christian August 1770 Thaler silver D. 2787 Germany, Stolberg-Wernigerode, Christian Ernst 1760 Thaler silver D. 2792 Germany, Waldeck, Georg Heinrich 1824 Thaler silver D. 925 Germany, Waldeck, Georg Heinrich 1842 2 Thaler silver D. 926 Germany, Waldeck, Georg Victor 1847 2 Thaler silver D. 927 Germany, Wurttemburg, Eberhard Ludwig 1707 Thaler silver D. 2489 Germany, Wurttemburg, Eberhard Ludwig 1728 Thaler silver D. 2850 Germany, Wurttemburg, Karl Rudolf von Wurttemburg-Neunstadt 1737 Thaler silver D. 2851 Germany, Wurttemburg, Karl Friedrich von Wurttemburg-Oels 1739 Thaler silver D. 2853 Germany, Wurttemburg, Karl Friedrich von Wurttemburg-Oels 1740 Thaler silver D. 2855 Germany, Wurttemburg, Karl Eugen 1744 Thaler silver D. 2857 Germany, Wurttemburg, Karl Eugen 1781 Thaler silver D. 2870 Germany, Wurttemburg, Ludwig Eugen 1794 Thaler silver D. 2872 Germany, Wurttemburg, Friedrich II 1806 Thaler silver D. 938 Germany, Wurttemburg, Friedrich II 1810 Thaler silver D. 943 Germany, Wurttemburg, Friedrich II 1811 Thaler silver D. 944 Germany, Wurttemburg, Wilhelm I 1817 Thaler silver D. 946 Germany, Wurttemburg, Wilhelm I 1846 2 Thaler silver D. 958 Germany, Wurzburg, Franz Ludwigvon Erthal 1786 2 Thaler silver D. 2906 Denmark, Christian IX 1872 2 Rigsdaler silver D. 79 Albania,Zogu I 1928 100 Francs gold Fr. 8 Belgium, Flanders, Ludwig von Male 1346-1384 Chaise d'or gold Fr. 163 Belgium, Kingdom, Albert I 1912 100 Francs gold Fr. 418 Denmark,Danish West Indies, Christian IX 1904 20 francs (4 daler) gold Fr. 2 France, Jean le Bon 1355 Mouton d'or gold Fr. 280 France, Jean le Bon 1360 Franc a cheval gold Fr. 279 France, 3rd Republic 1911 A 100 Francs gold Fr. 590 Netherlands, Middelburg 1574 1 Crown klippe gold Fr. 164 Netherlands, Utrecht, Rudolph von Diepholz 1433-1455 Goldgulden (florin d'or) gold Fr. 188 Poland, Republic 2 coins 1928, 1928 5 zloty and 2 zloty gold KM 316 & 310 Albania,Zogu I 1928 5 Francs silver D. 1055 Belgium,Antwerp 1814 5 Centimes bronze Gad. 128 Belgium, Brussels 1579 36 Sols klippe silver Delm. 216 France, 1st Empire, Napoleon I 1815 5 Francs, Strasbourg silver D. 834 France, Louis Philippe 1830 A 5 Francs silver D. 89 Scotland, Mary 1558 Testoon silver S. 5416 Netherlands, Maastricht 1794 Thaler of 100 stuber silver D. 1856 Austria,Holy Roman Empire, Ferdinand I 1529 1/2 Thaler klippe silver Markl 292 Germany,Landau 1713 1 Gulden& 4 Kreuzer silver Klein/Raff 221.4 Germany,Munster 1660 Thaler klippe silver Peus 50 Germany, Westphalia, Hieronymous Napoleon 1809 5 Francs silver D. 931 11 coins; Belgium 1880 5 Francs silver Belgium 1935 50 Francs silver Belgium 1935 50 Francs silver Belgium 1901 10 Centimes bronze Belgium,Antwerp 1814 1 Centime bronze Zeeland 1760 Thaler 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BadThad Bedrock of the Community United States 19960 Posts	Posted 01/13/2012 2:31 pm Incredible....that's a huge rip-off. I hope he hangs! Lincoln Cent Lover! VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/ Report this Post to the Staff
Cajunlady0 Valued Member United States 318 Posts	Posted 01/13/2012 3:08 pm Don't look at me, I do not know where they are. I wish I had something as nice as these, but since I am really just getting started again and on a tight budget, I can only dream for awhile. I would make the guy talk......and find out where the rest of them are. Edited by Cajunlady0 01/13/2012 3:10 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Pandesalapi Valued Member Philippines 386 Posts	Posted 01/13/2012 3:28 pm wow what a list ! Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 01/13/2012 6:59 pm man some of those coins are incredible and even though I know nothing about the foreign coins (non US coins) if they are as rare as the US coins listed that was a pretty big haul he had going on there and worth a fortune (started to say small fortune but nothing small about some of those coins listed) Report this Post to the Staff
Mr T Pillar of the Community Australia 2180 Posts	Posted 01/15/2012 10:20 pm Quote: even though I know nothing about the foreign coins (non US coins) if they are as rare as the US coins listed that was a pretty big haul Likewise, I don't know much about the non-Australian stuff, but they could have taken the first item alone on that list and made a lot of money. Report this Post to the Staff
Mpc Valued Member United States 89 Posts	Posted 01/15/2012 11:19 pm Can't Kunker provide info on who won those auctions? And if it international does US have any jurisdiction to recover any of those items? Report this Post to the Staff
westcoin Pillar of the Community United States 9792 Posts	Posted 01/16/2012 04:04 am 300 coins? That's one a day one of them was sold for $150K at an auction. He is getting only 10 years? Too short if you ask me. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 Report this Post to the Staff
wquinn Pillar of the Community United States 2295 Posts	Posted 01/18/2012 2:04 pm That is an amazing collection to have been lost. It would have been really nice to have seen it. All of those proof and MS coins would be amazing to see. He must be pretty stupid thinking he would never get caught, since he was the collections manager. They probably interviewed him first! I could see the same thing happening to the collection in the Smithsonian of American History in DC, since the collection is no longer on display and supposedly in a vault somewhere. That collection is worth many times more than the one at the ANA. They had hundreds of proof and MS gold USA and world coins alone. Along with the 1913 Liberty nickel, $100,000 note, 1849 and 1933 $20 coins, etc. It is a shame the public can't view that anymore. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 01/18/2012 6:42 pm Quote: I could see the same thing happening to the collection in the Smithsonian of American History in DC, since the collection is no longer on display and supposedly in a vault somewhere. This is probably one of the reasons they recently reviewed their security and discovered that over 20 people had unrestricted access to the collection, and that they didn't even know who some of them were! They have since clamped down on the people who have actual access to it. Report this Post to the Staff
wquinn Pillar of the Community United States 2295 Posts	Posted 01/19/2012 08:34 am So do you think that there could be come missing items from the Smithsonian collection too and they either don't want to report it or haven't looked into it yet? Have you heard of anything missing? I wouldn't be surprised if some gold coins were missing, since they weren't slabbed and there are plenty of existing pieces, so they could easily sell one every so often to not draw attention. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 01/19/2012 11:36 am Well they aren't "slabbed" but they are in NGC holders. Could something be missing? Yes. Have I heard of anything missing? No. If there is something missing and we haven't heard it could be because they don't want to report it, or they may still be doing an inventory. It takes a LONG time to do a physical inventory of over 1.5 million items. Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 11/18/2012 02:48 am Quote: Can't Kunker provide info on who won those auctions? And if it international does US have any jurisdiction to recover any of those items? Europe, in particular Germany, has extremely strong privacy laws. Kuenker ( Its most accurately spelt with an "e" to replace the Umlaut.....Says me who has a touch of dyslexia ) The only option would be for Kuenker to contact the buyers and inform them the coins were stolen and request the coins return. As the coins were stolen from the US( ie No Jurisdiction) and sold in good faith in Germany I suspect many buyers might just ignore the request to return the coins( even with the required refunding of the purchase price under German consumer law. I checked my Kuenker purchases against the list and was relieved to see I was not one of the buyers. Edited by austrokiwi 11/18/2012 02:49 am Report this Post to the Staff
basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 11/18/2012 02:57 am Quote: Can't Kunker provide info on who won those auctions? And if it international does US have any jurisdiction to recover any of those items? To add onto what Aust said Kunker also would not want to just hand that information over as people will lose faith in them that not only did they sell stolen coins, but that their clients have no privacy with them. Same reason banks fight IDing accounts. As for the second part it would all depend on where the coins ended up. In a friendly country with extradition treaties possibly, but in a lot of countries they couldnt care less. Report this Post to the Staff
huckles888 Valued Member Australia 146 Posts	Posted 11/21/2012 05:40 am Very lax oversight of the employee - and how does an Auction House sell such a large amount of quality coins from one source without verifying their provenance? Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 12/13/2012 4:38 pm Quote: Very lax oversight of the employee - and how does an Auction House sell such a large amount of quality coins from one source without verifying their provenance? I am not sure this is a very fair comment. Kuenker Like Nobles ( I have purchased from both) deals with collectors all the time. They are not like a pawn brokers shop where it is an immediate cash sale. When such Major auction houses sell coins in a floor auction they are recording the name and address of the seller. Further more there can be weeks even months from the time the coins are submitted till the actual day of sale. It was very unusual for the thief to have the courage and patience to wait that long. The fact that a confirm-able address of the seller is known would make most dealers confident the sale items were legitimate. Also there was no knowledge that such a huge theft had occurred so there were no world wide warnings to look out for coins of that description. Also the same,IMHO unfair, criticism could be leveled at Nobles...they didn't check the provenance of the ANA coins they sold. I think if there is any blame to be pointed anywhere( other than at the thief) it is the ANA in particular its procedures( or lack of) that allowed the theft to go undiscovered for enough time for the coins to be sold by Auction Edited by austrokiwi 12/13/2012 4:40 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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