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1917 T-1 Standing Liberty Quarter

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 Posted 01/14/2007  1:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is another one of my quarters I'm having trouble determining the grade on. Any opinions?

Ralph

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 Posted 01/14/2007  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'ma guess its in the VF range
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 Posted 01/14/2007  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see it as an F12. There is a little too much wear on the eagle to go higher in my opinion.
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 Posted 01/14/2007  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The T1 wear a little better than the T2. I am going to have to say VG-8.
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 Posted 01/26/2007  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan and Susan, I, too, believe the details of the coin would warrant a F-12 grade.
Tbar, what is it about the coin that caused you to determine it to be VG-8?

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 Posted 01/26/2007  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was just my opinion Ralph....and I am by no means an expert.

After looking at this again....I think it probably is closer to F12, because of the visible belly button and the stars on the obv. But I would also detract for the pock marks on the rev.

I don't look at alot of these in these grades...so I am still learning how to grade them.
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 Posted 01/26/2007  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep - I inventoried it as F-12 with a notation about the 3 gouges on the reverse.
I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to grading the Standing Liberty Type. I've only 18 of them, and the majority of them won't grade above Very Good (my opinion) so when I get one with a little better detail, I like to get a second opinion(s). Helps in my education. Thanks.

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 Posted 01/28/2007  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph, I've seen a few of the coins you're asking us to take a look at and grade and I do have one general observation. It seems like you're bottom fishing. Please don't take this the wrong way. I sort of did this early on in my collecting, too. If the coin is cheap for the grade, chances are there's a reason. This coin is an example of a problem coin. The reverse is terrible. I've learned that spending a few extra bucks for a coin with overall good eye-appeal on BOTH sides and is decent for the grade with NO problems (or perhaps something so minor that most dealers would overlook it) is worthwhile. Trust me, if a coin has a problem, when you try to sell the buyer will point it out in a heartbeat and there goes a good portion of the value. Trust me on this, these problems will grow on you with time and you'll eventually want to or have to move out of them. That's when it gets painful. I've learned TOO many lessons this way. Be careful and be a bit more picky about what you get...it WILL be well worth it in the long run.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Prethen - My friend, I've not bought the first coin for resale - yet. I'm more into this hobby of our's for the pleasure I derive from having and holding old circulated coins.
Yes, I'm in the early stages of coin collecting - be two years come March, so the lure of the old ones is still very much there without the thoughts of resale cluttering up my mind.
Are you suggesting I discontinue posting my coins because you think I'm wasting the other forum member's time in asking for their help in learning how to grade the lower grade, lesser value coins?
If any other members feel that viewing my coins are a waste of your time, please let know me. I'm not adverse to constructive criticism. Thanks.

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 Posted 01/28/2007  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to mention - someday my taste may, indeed, change, or my pockets may get deeper, but for right now my collection is just right for me. I appreciatre your suggestion Prethen, but I think I'll continue collecting in my own way.

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 Posted 01/28/2007  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph, You and I have the same philosophy, and I've been collecting coins for 50 years, not two.

I can honestly say I get just as big a thrill filling a hole in one of my albums with a very good or fine as with something of higher grade.

I realize I'm in the definite minority, but the quality of the coin is far less important to me than the thrill of finding one of most any quality which fills a hole in my album.

Given the choice between a high grade coin or something lesser, I'd naturally prefer the better coin. However, once again, it's the excitment of the hunt, and the pleasure of filling one of those empty holes that counts most with me.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coin Ralph . Its a keeper at Fine
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 Posted 01/29/2007  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph, I think you took what I said a bit harder (or differently) than I meant it. There's nothing wrong with low grade coins. Heck, I'm buying coins down to AG3/G4 myself. I just bought a couple of VG 20¢ pieces. But the key here is to get quality for the grade. Forget about resale then. The next time you open up that coin book, is your eye going to go to some eye-sore that you let pass before just to fill a hole? A couple of minor nicks on the coin (preferably not on the rim) really shouldn't kill it, but beyond that you probably ask youself, "will this bother me a month from now...a year from now?"
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 Posted 01/29/2007  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"will this bother me in a month from now...a year from now?"

I honestly don't know. Those bridges "down the road" will have to await my arrival, and be dealt with at that time. No crystal ball, so I don't know if there'll be a tomorrow. Having been near death on more than one occasion has taught me to appreciate "today", and the little pleasures that today can bring.
For right now, I'm proud of my meager collection, and I enjoy looking at every coin I own.

I appreciate your advice, and I'll bear it in mind should I decide my collection should be more for investment than an enjoyable hobby. Until then, I'll continue to get those old coins in whatever grade my wallet dictates. Thanks.

Ralph
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 Posted 01/29/2007  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PS - By the way, I don't consider any of my coins to be eyesores. I think what this little discussion boils down to is you and I have different tastes which is cool. But, what's right for you doesn't necessarily have to be right to me.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph, I think it grades out as a net F-12. I think these Standing Liberty quarter designs are beautiful in any grade where the design is visible, and the Variety One is a good type coin. Thanks for posting.

Colin
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