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Valued Member
Germany
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A friend has provided me with this picture of a Fernando VII 8 reales 1814/3 from the PopayĆ”n mint. The counterfeit is extremely well made, including the edge design. I have received his permission to post it here. There are some signs to detect it: a die crack from chin to edge, the overdate is somewhat mushy, lack of detail in drapery, an incomplete upper loop of are in Rex, and some imperfection under the left column's base. The coin's weight is 26.93 g. It looks as if the counterfeiters use real 8 reales to produce these fakes.  Edited by dosmundos
01/28/2012 12:10 pm
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Wow, this copy is indeed impressive !
Did your friend checked the overlap of the edge ? (is there two overlap, at the opposite from each other ?)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
Even if you aren't perfectly familiar with the rare Colombia issued 8R, if you step back and examine the overall "look", you should be able to tell it's "off". Others:   |
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Pillar of the Community
Czech Republic
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Pillar of the Community
Czech Republic
803 Posts |
Just to add. This coin was purchased by a friend of mine in 2008 from a seller in China who followed up with an email saying that he can provide as many as necessary. He sent it to NCS and it came back genuine but with a number of issues noted on the holder and sold on ebay for around $850. I've learned about when it came up in my ebay search and I saw who was selling it. I am not an expert on Papayan pieces, but based on the color and surface texture I told him that I thought it was a modern numismatic forgery. To me it appeared to be a transfer die due to numerous raised lines and marks as well as pits and depressions on the die surfaces. Original dies were polished so these lines present a serious problem in my mind. He ignored my opinion and falling back on "knowledgeable folks at NCS" sold the coin. |
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Pillar of the Community
Mexico
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Yikes! Every now and then I wonder about collecting something like 8R coins...then I see threads like this one!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow this why I stopped collecting colonial 8Rs. Very few people can detect good fakes by sight. Hats off to you all. Know for a fact that the best TPGs goof it up.
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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Well with a coin of such a high value it is only normal to have also a high-quality copy.
Edited by coinworldtv
09/22/2018 6:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
566 Posts |
Does this coin have an edge?
If yes, please upload the photographs.
I am wondering how well the edge is done.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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See the first post of the thread... pretty decent, though not perfect and like the entire coin in general, shouldn't really be fooling grading cos./auctioneers at this price level. Aside from that, the only other edge I've seen is not particularly well done. It seems that certain productions of this fake have been better quality than others:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The edge on the coin shown last is very poor and typical of the type made in China. In person the examples of this coin are not as hard to detect as the pictures would imply.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bob, as we've seen with some other fakes, this is one of those where some versions seem to be better-made than others. So, here, for example, is a lower-quality version, out of Russia: https://www.ebay.com/itm/coin-8-rea...253880320181 which I'm sure has something like the really poor edge shown on that coin shown last in my previous post. Compare that coin to the one in the PCGS straight-grade holder - the PCGS piece is clearly a much better execution of it. |
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United States
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realeswatcher - I agree with you that there is a clearly great difference between the Russian centrifugal casting (the type with the poor weak edge) and the more well made (struck) silver counterfeit shown prior. In hand the cast copies are very easy to spot. The struck coins present a more serious challenge to authenticators.
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