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Here's What A Coin Shop Offered For The '11 ASE Set

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 Posted 01/29/2012  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Eaglefoot

I certainly do not take any comfort in your situation. Hopefully you can chalk it up as a learning experience and have more tempered expectation the next time this sort of thing comes around. I for one, was disappointed with the amount of speculation with the issue as I spent about two hours trying to complete an order.

That said, I think you aren't totally stuck. My advice is to parce the piece out into separate auctions. You should be able to get most of your investment back. holding onto it is not a great option as people will trade this back and forth ad infinitum at 100,000 coins- it is not scarce.
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 Posted 01/29/2012  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im not sure how you lose money when you sell at 500 when they were only 300 a set. You spent 200 for the grading? EACH? I know PCGS and NGC are thieves, but THAT would be ridiculous. As others have said, he is lowballing, and by a LOT. Likely one of those guys who insists that all ASEs are nothing but bullion and its not a real coin unless it hasnt been minted in over 50 years. That aside you can get somewhere in the area of 700 bucks for that set on ebay. But thats been said too.

As for "tumbling". No, the prices are not tumbling. They leveled out and they will likely stay in this range and slowly climb up a bit. No matter how you cut it, there are only 100,000 sets out there, graded or not. That means demand is NOT going to go away. Its just not frenzied now.
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 Posted 01/29/2012  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mach1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are more dealers than your local brick & mortar outfit. I sold 3 raw sets to a dealer in Maryland when prices were higher. You could check with APMEX too. It would not hurt to check around some more before you go the ebay route.
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he is lowballing, and by a LOT. Likely one of those guys who insists that all ASEs are nothing but bullion and its not a real coin unless it hasnt been minted in over 50 years.

I disagree with this. Any dealer or pawn shop is going to have over head so every item they buy will have to be bought with a little meat on the bone for them to make some money on. You have to think, even if he pays 500 for it and sells it for the 600 they are going for on ebay, he may have that 500 tied up for awhile in his shop. Not to mention a pawn shop can not sell anything they buy for 30 days (at least that is the law here in NC) they have to out them in the back to make sure there is none that has been stolen, if they are stolen they lose thew whole 500 they have in it, so EVERY transaction has a risk involved. That means they are going to have to pay a little less than someone that is just wanting the item to keep. Another thing, if they thought it had no value over bullion, they would have offered bullion prices for it, so that comment I have to disagree with also
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Gambling always has two possibilities...you win or you lose. And sometimes a lesson learned early is best anyway...don't blame the dealer
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in this "Ultra Modern" time.....the Mint products DON'T seem to increase in value.....EVER !


You knew that and took the chance ... so why blame the dealer who is being a realist on the value of this set?

I feel for your situation and certainly empathise with your current position.

On the positive side ... you have a great set of coins ... so either enjoy them ... or sell for what you can get.

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For those who didn't know.... I bought TWO 5 coin sets from the Mint, and sent them both to PCGS once I got them. And paid the extra (what was it ? $15.00 per coin for the First Strike designation?)

I always planned on keeping the best of the two Sets once they came back. The one I'm keeping has two perfect 70's in it. (not the two I wish, but oh well)

I hear what most are saying here....and do take it to heart.
I certainly don't "blame the dealer".....it was more of just a shock at the reality that I wasn't aware of with these at the time.
I assumed that having a "graded set" versus a "raw set" would massively increase the premiums for the awesome "never before done" Sets.
I assumed that PCGS, (regarded as the best by most folks), slabbed Sets would garner the best prices and remain standing at "the Top" of the heap throughout all of the fallout.
I assumed that paying the "extra" for the FS designation, above and beyond the initial cost of grading, would increase my premiums EVEN FURTHER, to make that extra cost worthwhile as well.
I assumed that this would be the way to go for these Sets, and I'd have my one Set to keep for free, WITH extra money in my pocket.

I assumed......I assumed......I assumed....I assumed.
How many times have I been told in my life.... NEVER TO ASSUME !

I was not, and am still not a collector of "slabbed coins".I did this "one time thing" to finally be one of those folks who "got on a good thing"......for once.

I've never done ebay before, don't know anything about it, except that I'd have NO SELLING HISTORY...which I assume would not bode well for me......but my wife has done Craigslist a couple of times, maybe I'll have her try that and see what happens.
Especially since the whole "buy one sell one" is what she was behind in this thing....(or that I could make enough money for selling one set to pay for the whole kittenKaboodle).
She would have been fine not to have bought anything at all.....this was all me.....

I'm going to walk around in a Donkey outfit for the next few months just to punish myself !.....

We'll see what Craigslist produces....then to the coin shop I guess. (and I suppose by this time, he'll have lowered his offer to $425.00 for the set ! ....)
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I'm going to throw my 2 cents worth in. There was absolutely nothing wrong with your original intention to buy 2 sets & resell one to pay for both. There were 2 factors that combined to hurt your plan....& they both have to do with slabbing the coins.

The first is the amount of time it took to get the grading done. When there is a large speculative run-up of prices there can just as easily be a sudden drop. It's very important to take advantage of the initial pop in those type situations & that means selling as soon as possible.

The second is the idea that you can add value by getting the coins slabbed. There is no doubt that slabbed coins sell for more than unslabbed coins. The problem arises when the cost of slabbing creates a marginal rise in the sale price. These aren't exact numbers but should illustrate what I'm talking about. A set in OGP could be sold for 2-3 times the cost. Slabbing the coins didn't increase the value by 2-3 times the cost of the slabs. In this case the profit margin on the slabbing probably didn't justify the expense.
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With the average slobbed coin selling for over $1000, a $30 fee is only 3%. When you're sending in $200 coins and paying $75 for all the bells and whistles, that jumps to 37.5%.
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I'm going to walk around in a Donkey outfit for the next few months just to punish myself!


At least you'll be looking good!
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I'm not a fan of the belief that slabbing coins "increases" their value. It merely obligates by contract which company will guarantee value at a designated grade and some people put more faith in one company over another.

In the end (and I say this as an avid ASE collector) the only sure value of a bullion coin like an ASE is its bullion content .... and that jumps around in today's market, too. :-)
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Another reason I think the First Strike labels are nothing but a gimmick by TPGs to make more $$
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There used to be a saying 'buy the coin not the slab' I think it still holds true but dealers attitudes have changed significantly over the last couple of years at least the ones in my area.
Used to be if a coin was VF it sold for VF prices regardless of any plastic housing. Now I hear all the time 'But this one is in a PCGS holder' and the price is hugely inflated just for that reason. Then add the CAC sticker and you go up even more... I had a very heated discussion with one dealer at the last show I went to about this. He was adamant that the slab and the CAC sticker doubled the price of the coin from grey sheet.
Yet when an offer to sell was made by me the response was 'I'll pay grey sheet ask regardless of the Slab or sticker...'

People are getting too hung up on the TPG thing and the emphasis has gone away from the coin. I agree with what's been said here, your mistake was the grading part. You gambled and lost but that's why its called gambling... They are after all bullion ...

Pretty please post a pick of the donkey suite and on a brighter note you will eventually be forgiven by the better half believe me I know from personal experience..
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FWIW, I'm still seeing ungraded sets in OGP selling for $650-700 on ebay. For those interested in a quick flip, having the coins graded might have been a good idea, but in the long term I suspect it will turn out to be a waste of money.
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The last raw set sold on ebay for a very nice price of $750

The last SINGLE coin NGC Reverse Proof PF70 from the set sold for $569.95...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-P-SILV...em4843a658cf

and the last SINGLE coin NGC MS70 S mint coin sold for $360.99

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-S-SILV...em2ebaeb3961

That's around $930 for just the two coins....

I sent 15 sets in for grading by NGC and got 8 complete 70 sets with a few spare 70's. It was well worth the investment.

Any graded set can easily become a raw set but it doesn't work the other way around...a good way to dump your lower grade coins is by cracking them out and making up a raw sets. You will never know the history of that raw set you bought. The only way to be sure it is original is to buy an unopened box and pay that premium. THAT makes much more sense to me anyway than an open box set..
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