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Help With Early 1800's Russian Jetton

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picked this up in a lot on ebay,

so far I can figure it's an 1800-1825 russian jetton.

really looking for a brief history of what's its all about (i dont collect older coins or tokens, it just happened to come in a lot with another modern coin that I was after)

also, I can not find any resources for a value for such a coin (is there a specific catalog number that goes along with this like other coins?) would really like to know what something like this is worth.

sorry about the crappy pics, I dont have it in hand yet

thanks

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The legend is in German which suggests it was foreign-made. The languages of choice at the time were French and Russian (in about that order).
The obverse says (as I see it) "Alexander Kaiser von Russland" or Alexander Tsar of Russia. It has to be Alexander I. With the reverse legend, "friede und glück", I needed help of Google Translate. It spit out: "quietude and happiness". If I had to guess what it is about I'd say the defeat of Napoleon in 1812.
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so this was a commemorative medal type thing? are they collectable?

are there online resources that deal in such? (i can't find much info)

i did find one example at an auction listed a few years ago but no final value/sale was listed, and not much more info other than what was printed on the coin.

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Most likely has a Bramson #. Here is one with bust right, supposedly scarce http://www.napoleonicmedals.org/coins/br-342.htm
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Not just the bust right, it's the opposing force, Napoleon Bonaparte, now. And also "friede und glück". Go figure!

Kinda like on the eve of the Superbowl some merchants would produce apparel "Patriots Champions" and "Giants Champions" and wait to see which ones should go to the market.
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bramsen # ... cool, that will narrow the search thanks
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the only books I can find for bramsen are "coins of japan"...

lots of imformation available on Napoleon medals, but not so much for alexander

interesting the napoleon medal is the same except for the bust.

what was the purpose for the medal being issued (either the napoleon or alexander version)?

was there an event that BOTH were related to (really seems strange that napoleon would have the same face on a coin as alexander?) or were these things political "advertising"?
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It's part of a broad series of German-made jetons featuring foreign monarchs, dating roughly from the early to mid-1800s; I have one featuring British queen Victoria on one side and French emperor Napoleon III on the other. By this time, the primary purpose of jetons was as card-game counters. Which fits in with the alternate translation of "glueck", meaning "luck".
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We've seen similar items posted on the forum before; a search for the word "Russland" turned up three more jetons, this one, this one and this one, all featuring Nicholas I.
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Sometimes we have to guess the purpose of those jetons/tokens, other times the makers have mercy on us and make it obvious.

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Here is another German Jetton or Jeton with Alexander.
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