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The color is the result of natural interaction between silver and elements in the air. The fingerprint smudging on top of the tarnish doesn't make for a very appealing coin, but based on the technical requirements of an MS-64 grade, the coin is probably accurately graded. I absolutely hate coins with evidence of fingerprints and will not own them, but when using a technical grading system (as ICCS does), fingerprints do not affect the final grade.
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 There is beauty in every Mintstate coin, depending on how you view it. This is a 70 year old silver coin that does not ever seem to have been dipped, tampered with, played with, manipulated in any way what so ever. As a result it has toned naturally and gracefully. It may not have the same eye appeal as the dipped "blast white" coins you constantly see being sold on E-bay, however, it has character. That's beauty in itself! Glenn  |
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Nice video. I have never understood how a fingerprint, which is prima facie evidence of handling, can be on a MS coin.
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Thats a good point biggfredd...
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 If a mintstate coin is taken out of a brand new roll of coins from the Mint, however, is touched in the fields resulting in a print, it is still considered mintstate. What constitutes a coin NOT to be mintstate is "circulation", spending the coin resulting in contact marks and wear. If you walk into a new car showroom and touch the hood of a brand new car and leave a fingerprint on it, does it all of a sudden become used? Not until you drive it off the lot! Glenn  |
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The images appear to be scans which will almost always make toning look terrible.
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I'm with glenzy1.....that's a very nice original coin.
I'd rather have that coin than some dipped blast white ms64.
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Looks like an original toned example of a 1946 Dollar. Have no doubt it probably is MS64. Gun medal toning is quite common on original silver coins that have never been tampered with and are 75+ years old. Most original mint state victorian halfs have gun medal toning. I personally think the 1946 dollar is a great coin.
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What constitutes a coin NOT to be mintstate is "circulation", spending the coin resulting in contact marks and wear. You're putting the cart before the horse. Since there's no way we can know exactly what happened once the coin left the die, we can only judge by what we can see. Thus we agree to say that "evidence of handling" is the criteria. "contact marks" can arguably result from banging around at the mint or in an unopened bag. Thus a baggy coin can still be ms60. "cabinet friction" or "rub" can only happen with handling, unless coins have learned to jump into cabinets. no longer ms. "fingerprints" come from handling with fingers, thus are "evidence of handling". no longer ms. A coin can travel a million miles, and if it was never fingerprinted and otherwise protected from "evidence of handling", then it is given the benefit of the doubt, and is still ms. |
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A fingerprint is not wear. Wear is the only determining factor on whether or not a coin has been circulated. If you go buy a brand new car, I absolutely guarantee the odometer will not read 0.0 when you take delivery. That gray area between 0 and 13 kilometers is the same gray area between mint fresh coins, and coins that exhibit absolutely no wear, but may have been handled at some point along their travels.
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A fingerprint is not wear. Never said it was. It's evidence of circulation, which is how you tell circulated and uncirculated apart. |
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 Fingerprint does not mean a coin has been circulated, only misappropriately handled. There are many mintstate coins (MS-60-64+) slabbed by some of North America's Top Third Party Grading company's. If all of these pros feel that fingerprints do no constitute circulation, then this debate is fruitless! Glenn |
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The seller does not have the reputation I would feel comfortable buying from.
Have heard numerous "stories", but all heresay.. but from reputable, informed and and knowlegable sources.
some stories, not to be told here, do involve slabbed coins...
enough said
CG
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Where's the lustre for MS 64?
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Posted 02/09/2012 04:30 am
