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What's Wrong With This Token?

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Yes, it's a quiz.

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Queen Victoria never visited Hanover, Pennsylvania!

Seriously, shouldn't the dragon be in the process of being slain?
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reeded edge?
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There are so many varieties of To Hanover, but this is the first I can remember to use the honourific H. M. G. M.

As to what's wrong, I haven't a clue.
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C'mon, guys, I thought it would be easy!
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Queen Victoria was born in 1819.
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It's got a little bit of verdigris on it?

There's a little dint on the reverse at 10 o'clock, where it may have been mounted to something?

Apart from that, I don't know. It looks like a perfectly normal 1861 "Cumberland Jack" to me.
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OK, how about this one?

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thje last one is easy: QUEN, instead of QUEEN
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That's one. There's more!
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And it predates her accession
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The event which a "Cumberland Jack" token alludes to is the departure of unpopular Duke of Cumberland Ernest Augustus, the fifth son of George III and Victoria's uncle, to assume the throne of Hannover after William IV's death. Victoria succeeded the British crown, but the ruling in Hannover could be passed only along the male line. All this happened in 1837.

These satirical whist counters were produced for much of the 19th century most of them "dated" appropriately 1837. I've seen (do not own one) a piece with the date 1837 on the Duke's side and a later one on Victoria's.
The manufacturer of the token who puts a date other than 1837 just imitates the piece without giving much thought to the meaning of it.

By 1861 Ernest Augustus had been dead for ten years.
In 1830 (even wackier) Victoria had 7 more years before becoming the "quen" (must be foreign - made).
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Nice find...the engraver back to work from the pub...
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I wonder what "H.M.G.M." represents ?
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"Her Most Gracious Majesty". A flowery title, rather than the regular form of address to the Queen - and one that's not even technically correct, as far as I can tell; a queen-regnant like Victoria should have been called "Her Most Excellent Majesty"; "Most Gracious" was for a queen-consort.
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