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Could someone tell me what a VAM is? and if anyone has any pics that would help. Thanks
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I saw that... thanks bobby. But is a VAM just doubling or a die clash?
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 Posted 03/14/2012  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, its not that simple, and I'm by no means anything but a beginner still.

Read it again, slowly, study the terms, and read, read, and look, and look. Cruise the discussion boards and here at CCF. You will catch on.

If you read a discussion from a post here re a VAM, or the Morgans and have a question, post it as a reply in that post, or post a new question.

There are many wise and experienced Morgan lovers here that love to share their knowledge.

Best of luck!
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 Posted 03/14/2012  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollect1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks southsav. Ill re read it a few times. But what I caught on to that they were doubled and clashes. And ill look at a few threads
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Look up Vamworld. All Morgans and Peace dollars have been assigned a VAM number. Be careful, it's very addicting....
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 Posted 03/14/2012  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TonedMo87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suggest reading through the VAM subsection here and looking at what everyone is posting. Once you start catching on, you'll be browsing ebay like a hawk..
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I too am just a novice collector of VAM's, so please don't take this as a expert answer

Let me try a simple answer

VAM's ... are a effort to identify die marriages of all obverse/reverse die's of Morgan and Peace dollars.

I am not sure how many different sets of die's were used each year. But let's say one year they used 50 different sets of die's. VAM's are a effort to identify each of those 50 die sets. Of course you also have to add in that sometimes those die sets were swapped, one particular reverse die may get used on 2 or 3 different Obverse die.



Let me give a example .. this is not exactly how it happens .. but just a general idea how I think it works

pick a year, say 1878. VAM 1 would be the first die set that was identified for that year. When something happened to this die set, like a die crack or die clash, you would start to see VAM 1A, VAM 1B.

Also mint employees would do work on the dies, leaving marks ...polish marks .. die gouges from tools.

For me the more marks you can find on a coin .. the easier it is to identify the VAM. Dates and mint marks were hand stamped into the die's so they will be in different position, so they are also a good way to help identify VAM's
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a VAM is just a die marriage that has been categorized. Each Die Marriage of each date will have a different VAM number. it is not an error but each die has their own distinct features that make them different varieties of the series
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Thanks for asking, I feel I understand VAMs better now as well ;)
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A VAM number is the catalog number for a specific die marriage (reworded Bryan1315 explanation).

Leroy VanAllen and George Mallis (combined names and get the acronym " VAM") in the 1960's noted the large number of "varieties" present in Morgan dollars and decided to catalog these varieties.

If you study the VAMWorld pages for Morgans you'll discover their methodology. These are listed by year and mintmark first, then major design variations (especially evident in the first year, 1878, listings ... 8TF, 7/8TF, B-1 Reverse, B-2 Reverse and finally the reverse of 1879 reverses C-1, 2, and 3). The obv and rev dies are numbered and each year/mintmark may contain several. Changes to these numbered dies (either through mint engraver tweaking or significant change due to wear/deterioration) get noted by Leroy and assigned a unique number.

It can get confusing. In a perfect world the first dies used that year would be VAM 1 and changes would be listed chronologically. In Leroy's imperfect world, these changes were not discovered in order. He's done the best job imaginable under these limitations.
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