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Valued Member
United States
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Anybody have experience in crossing over TPGS.
I know its a chance but I was looking for some input for crossing over graders NGC to PSCG or ANACS to NGC etc but I know some graders have different grading tendencies and its a gamble on high grades etc
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Valued Member
United States
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Good question, I have also wondered about this.
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New Member
Mexico
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I have some experience crossing ANACS to NGC. I crossed a number of Latin America coins in the new yellow ANACS holders to NGC. I was pleasantly suprised when many came back 1 grade higher. They were all MS63-65 in ANACS. NONE came back lower.
On the other hand, I crossed over a number of older ANACS and ICG slabed Bust Half Dollars. All were graded in the VF25 - AU55 range. About half came back with details grades, usually hairlines, and the others were a grade lower and a couple at the same grade.
All coins submitted were in the original holder. I didn't crack out any of them.
For what it's worth, that is my small amount of experience.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have had some success crossing ANACS over to NGC but that question doesn't matter any longer as NGC will not cross anything but PCGS now, so everything else has to be cracked out before submitting. I had an old white ANACS VAM-79 that was MS-63 and when I submitted it to NGC a few years ago it came back MS-63 as well
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you cross and send them the slabbed coin, I assume they crack it and put it in a new holder? Do they include the old label somehow, or just send that back to you? Or do they just trash it? If it was in a no-problem holder before, but they judge it to be a problem coin, do you have the option to not have them crack it?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
684 Posts |
Since NGC stopped crossing ANACS, I have hacked sawed coins out ANACS slabs and submitted them to NGC. There is a perception that NGC will grade a coin tougher if it is in a ANACS holder. If is raw they will grade it to the grade. Whether this is true or not, thats what I do.
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New Member
United States
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I'm all for the free market, but as a new collector the grading companies and systems are all too confusing, I have done my reading here and bought some books and read them to educated myself on the hobby, but it seems there are way too many shady TPG's out there and also that the "big dogs" all have some claim to fame that makes them "better" than the others, its a bit much for a new person to take in at first |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's actually fairly simple.
NGC and PCGS are both top tier. A PCGS will tend to sell for a little more than an NGC of the same grade for no good reason.
ANACS, ICG, and SEGS are second tier. Good companies but not as highly regarded as the top tier. ANACS and SEGS are much better at correctly identifying varieties that the top tier services, especially SEGS. Some will rate SEGS a little lower in grading quality than ANACS and ICG. NOTE: SEGS is NOT the same as SGS.
Everything else should be treated the same as a raw coin. Some of the old companies that are out of business now were pretty good, but about the only thing you will encounter in their holders now are questionable pieces that wouldn't make the same grade today.
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Valued Member
United States
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The politics between TPG's is obnoxious in my opinion. PCGS is known for not crossing over coins in NGC holder because they want to hold the standard for the tougher grading. They use the excuse that they fear of damaging the coin when opening the plastic, but it's more than that. On the flip side, NGC is more lenient when crossing over coins. I've seen a Proof Morgan that grade 66 in a NGC holder that was certified by CAC that didn't cross over to PCGS. More and more people are beginning to believe that PCGS is becoming the ultimate TPG. Lower population for higher graded coins, higher percentage to CAC, and more coins have been graded by them. Your best bet when crossing over coins is to take them out of the holder yourself, then send it in to be graded. You DEFINITELY have a greater chance of having it grade the grade you want. Just make sure you put down a minimum grade, otherwise it could downgrade. Were you thinking of crossing any over? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On the flip side, NGC is more lenient when crossing over coins. But NGC will only cross PCGS coins. PCGS with cross any other service. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I say buy the coin not the holder. I don't drink the pcgs kool aid
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United States
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But NGC will only cross PCGS coins. PCGS with cross any other service. True, but the likelihood of that happening is very close to NGC crossing over a coin, you know? They want to be seen as superior so if they give off the image that they're the tougher grader, more people will want their coins graded with them. |
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Valued Member
 United States
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Sweet replies. The TPG grading game is touuugggghh. I always assumed I'd have to crack the slab before sending. The TPGs always say the coins are graded by a few different people and they all don't have knowledge of the other guys etc. Leaving it in the slab wouldn't seem to have much relavance I'd think, but I'm speculating. As far as crossover examples, I have a coin graded ANACS70. Market value $500 bucks. Of course it has a first day label(which I would lose and a real shame because a PCGS first strike is worth much more over a normal label. A PCGS ms69 Market value $500 bucks. A PCGS 70 through the roof!A cool $1000 or so. Someone else was saying ANACs is hard on grades, which would be great in my case if I decide to crossover, BUT I have seen PCGS 70s with hits on the reverse etc and I was like how did this ever grade? Edited by Coppertop
03/27/2012 01:40 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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None of the services will cross a 70. If you want to change services with a 70 you HAVE to give them permission to crack it out and if it doesn't cross at that grade too bad. (Actually with a 70 they might insist that YOU crack it out so you can't claim they damaged it doing so.)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not one coin I've ever sent in in another TPG holder has crossed at same grade or better. 85-90% of my cracked out coins come back at what I thought they would no problem. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have only crossed ANACS and ICG coins to PCGS. I've never tried to cross an NGC slab to PCGS because the coins I own/collect/sell are fine in an NGC holder and I feel NGC is a top TPG. PCGS will allow you specify a lower minimum grade than is on the current slab. NGC will too but it can only be a PCGS slab and I doubt anyone would do this (allow NGC to cross their PCGS slab at a lower grade). Anyway, I recently bought an 1855-O SLH in an ICG MS64 holder and sent it to PCGS with a 63 minimum. They crossed it at 63 and it is now on it's way back from CAC with a green sticker.   |
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Posted 03/15/2012 8:32 pm
