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1804 Draped Bust Half Cent

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I just purchased my first 1804 Half Cent for my 7070. I noticed that the R in America extends to the rim. Does this correlate with a specific variety?

I have included pics. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

JimR


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According to Breen, it's die combination Obverse 4 and Reverse E. The other two reference numbers given are Gilbert 4 and CMM 10. The quickest identifying point on this variety is the break in the R. It is rated as a Rarity 1.

Very nice example of this variety.
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Very Nice Coin [up
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Jim, that's an 1804 C-10 variety, Rarity 1. That's another nice early copper !!!
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Thanks alot you two for the information. What reference books are you referring to to attribute the varieties and where can I get a copy?

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I got my info from the Breen Encyclopedia of United States Half Cents 1793-1857. AuldFartte, what does the C number refer to? I couldn't find actual variety numbers in Breen.
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The "C" refers to the Cohen number, the variety designator that the vast majority of collectors use. It refers to Roger S. Cohen, who cataloged the known varieties of US Half Cents starting in about 1971, and his numbering system, based on the supposed emission sequence of the varieties, is the standard used by EAC Half Cent collectors, and the vast majority of serious copper collectors.

Prior to Cohen, there was a guy named Ebenezer Gilbert who did the same thing cataloging varieties in 1916. Walter Breen is a "Johnny-come-lately" who, although a decent numismatist, was an egomaniac of the highest level, and he just assumed that his new numbering system for practically all US coins would be readily accepted by all collectors everywhere. He was wrong. His system is cumbersome and was never really considered for standard usage.

The reference I use for variety identification is "The Half Cent Die State Book 1793 - 1857" by Ron Manley. It is the newest, and by far the best reference ever written on varieties and die states of US Half Cents. It is considered to be the standard reference on the subject now. The photos are outstanding. I got my copy from Charles Davis, a numismatic and rare bookseller who is on ebay as "numislit". You can buy them directly from Ron Manley, but I can't seem to find his contact information right now.

Hope that helps
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Auldfartte,

Thank you for the information. I couldn't ask for more.
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