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Mexico 1 Real 1504-1516 For Sale On Ebay

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 Posted 03/16/2012  4:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

This makes me nervous.

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 Posted 03/16/2012  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While I know nothing about these, overall it matches the PCGS cert page.
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Why does it make you nervous? The obscure Calico reference, instead of the more common Nesmith? The lack of a KM number? The apparent corrosion? The lack of the usual denomination based on assayer letters? The "how on earth" could that be a Fine-graded coin? Ohhhh, the somewhat incorrect dates?
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. So the "Bogus" flag is flying on this one? The date do not look right.


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Maybe I was too obscure. Yes the dates. I don't think the Spanish even got to Mexico until 1517. And the mint did not start operations until 1536.

1504-1516 are specific dates. If they are not typos, could someone have thought Joanna until Charles proxy rule?

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I posted earlier an early mexican pillar real serie (without waves between the pillars).
The 1 real is from essayer R (Rincon) - and it was the first to be working in Mexico (which was the first new world mint)
And it's dated between 1536 and 1538.

Maybe this is just an old slab, before they got their knowledge to the top ?
(Calico is much used in Europe BTW - that's the reference I use)
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1504-1516 relates to the reign of Juana I of Aragon who is the sovereign on this coin alongside Carlos I who was her son. Juana was the daughter of Fernando and Isabel who bankrolled Columbus' discovery of the New World and she ascended the throne of Castile in 1504 when her mother Isabel died. Juana's husband was Felipe I of Castile, the first Hapsburg King of Spain, but Philip died in 1506. When Isabel died, Fernando, Juana's father had Juana declared insane in early 1505 and while Juana was still the monarch, Fernando ruled as Juana's regent until his death in 1516.

While we cannot see the assayers initials on the shield side of the coin here, we know that Calico-143 had the initials L-M on the shield side. We know that this was assayer L, Luis Rodriguez, who was active during two separate periods as assayer of the Mexico City Mint, but this coins can be attributed to the period between 1547-1553. He was an assayer in the 'Late Series' of coins which is confirmed by the presence of waves by the base of the Pillars of Hercules.

Today, I think that the dates of the time when the assayer was at work are used to indicate the period when the coin was produced, but on this label, the dates of the reign of one of the sovereigns named on the coin was used. I think references have evolved since this label was printed.
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Yes the dates. I don't think the Spanish even got to Mexico until 1517. And the mint did not start operations until 1536.


Wouldn't be the first time a TPG made a mistake on a non-US coin.

As said by just a few people out here "Buy the coin, not the slab."
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