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2007 Silver Eagle ICG MS-70

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 Posted 01/30/2007  7:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a 2007 Silver Eagle Graded by ICG as MS70.I have been hearing rumors of very poor grading frrom ICG on these coins.I guess the rumors are true. With James Taylor moving from ANACS to ICG,I was thinking of trying them for a grading service.That will not be happening. This is rediculous.This wouldn't even make MS68 in my opinion.The second picture shows three hits in one area.

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 Posted 01/30/2007  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you think they looked at it with the naked eye or even bothered to use a 5X at the very least? hmmmmm
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 Posted 01/30/2007  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Deb,
Most marks you can see without any magnification. Can't begin to tell you how angry I am right now. I guess they think most people are to dumb to know what their getting.Or maybe they just don't care what the collector thinks.
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 Posted 01/30/2007  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't blame you one bit for being angry "T"! I would be too! Is there a way to reach Mr. Taylor about this? This isn't a good way for him to start out with ICG and try to built a good/better reputation with and for them! Let us know what you do and what you can find out. I would definitely complain to them!
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 Posted 01/30/2007  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I wrote ICG an email and I managed to do it in a civil tone,but it was not easy. We will see if they respond.
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 Posted 01/31/2007  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are going to say that the damage happen after they sold the coin. that is what they told a few ebay seller last month




that an other sell said in ebay group chat room truth ? but it posted in ebaygroups chat room?
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 Posted 01/31/2007  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bitters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
They are going to say that the damage happen after they sold the coin. that is what they told a few ebay seller last month




Could you elaborate on that? I wasn't aware that ICG sold coins. Are you saying that that ICG has claimed that coins have become damaged while inside their sealed holders, and they're disavowing those coins? If that's true, it's even much more alarming than the MS70 grade on this ASE!


TLS5933, I just bought a PCGS MS69 2007 ASE, and I'm pretty disappointed with it, too. I think I bought too soon. I'm not going to try to replace it now, though. I'll probably wait for a year or so until the dust has settled, so to speak, and then go pick out a good one to my liking. I'll look for an MS69 that is mark-free and hasn't developed spots. I'll bet yours was quite a bit more expensive, so you'll want to address the situation sooner. Mine was about $30, and had comparable distractions to yours. Good luck!
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 Posted 01/31/2007  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess you are sure the marks are on the coin and not in or on the holder? It sure looks like they are on the coin.
I doubt ICG will say it happened after encapsulation, I sure wouldn't buy that.
MS70's are really only impressive to the market in PCGS holders and to a lesser extent in NGC holders and not impressive at all to me. Modern MS70 coins IMHO over extremely overrated. Good luck with ICG.
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 Posted 01/31/2007  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TLS:
Before you yell too loud, did you look at the s in the word "silver"?
It could just be the reflection, but it may be a double die.
Try looking with a loupe.
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 Posted 01/31/2007  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TreasHunt,
Believe me I looked this coin over VERY carfully before saying anything.I used a 10x & 15x loupe.
mrcoin,Its scratched and it on the coin not the holder although the holder does have small red spots embedded all over in it.Its not a double die, what your seeing on the word "Silver" is just a reflection of light.I wish it were a double die.
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 Posted 01/31/2007  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah yes. Gotta love those TPG's!
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 Posted 01/31/2007  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does TPG = Third Party Graded?
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 Posted 01/31/2007  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neuron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mrcoin, yes: TPG = Third Party Grader/ Graded

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 Posted 01/31/2007  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Come on guys, give them a little slack! Try and remember that 'perfect' isn't what it used to be.
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 Posted 01/31/2007  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RangerXLT8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hahahaha my ICG MS68 2001 ASE had dinks and spots similar to yours.
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About 18 months ago, I submitted information to ICG, including a credit card number, to join their Collector's Club. I never heard from them again. That was the sum total of my experience with ICG, and likely the only experience I ever have with them, James Taylor or not.

For the record, the CC number was a one-timer, generated for the specific purchase. That's why I'm not worried about it.
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