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1948 LWC Lamination Fold Over Strike ?

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I feel certain this is a "lamination peel fold over strike" Is this the correct Terminology? Am I correct about this being an error or is it just PMD? How should It be Labeled on my flip.?Thanks for any input


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 Posted 03/19/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Plat1num to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, that's what we call a lamination error.
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 Posted 03/19/2012  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wpd7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I vote for PMD. You can see striations in the "groove" left by the tool that gouged it.
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I'm no expert and I have to say that I've never seen anything like it -- so nice find.

However...I will make a guess about what happened.

I think it is PMD. I think it got trapped in some vicious machine and that strip got peeled off and fused back onto the cent. The damage on your coin is not typical of what I would expect to see on a coin damaged by a coin counting machine. I think your cent got trapped somewhere it didn't belong.

So, I will wonder about that for awhile and check back to see what others have to say.
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 Posted 03/19/2012  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The metal was removed post strike. The straight edges and lack of any detail in the vacated area has me thinking damage more than lamination.
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Here is a few more pictures to evaluate.Thanks for all the replies so far.

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 Posted 03/20/2012  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one!
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It is a fold-over delamination, the fold occurred after the coin entered circulation. The striations are from the natural grain of the alloy. I am not normally a fan of laminations but large delamination peel folds are always nice
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It's one of the more interesting delaminations I've seen.
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Thanks for all the comments.biokemist said the fold happened after it went into circulation.How could that happen without breaking off? Seems like it was part of the strike itself.
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If it was part of the strike, it would have been pressed flat with the field and the bust would be a lost closer to fully raised where it's delaminated.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many delamination flaps do indeed break off which is why it is fairly uncommon to see one with a large bent flap still attached.
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Thank you CaptainFwiffo. That makes sense.The fold over would have been flush or flat with the rest of the coin
And thank you biokemist6
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Very intersting. Thank you for posting. It looks well attached but still seems amazing it survived. It's safe now :)
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This is such a curious coin that I showed it to my husband. He thinks it met up with a machining tool. It scraped the cent and then the coin flipped up -- notice the marks east of Lincoln's chest and south of the date.

I have no experience with machine shops so I will take his word for it -- for now.

He also said it looks like you could peel the flap off and after reading the previous comments I suggest that maybe you put it in a proper holder to make sure that it never separates. It may seem permanently stuck to the coin but copper isn't really stable around any kind of humidity or air for that matter.
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