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Sacagawea Copper Core

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A well worn Sacagawea I got today revealed something... disappointing; The brass only CLADS the coin, and does NOT make up its entirety as I originally believed.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacagawea_dollar
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Yeah, the idea is to mimic the electromagnetic signature of clad SBA dollars.
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The dollar coin features distinguishing traits including: a golden color, extra-wide border, smooth edge like the nickel's, and specially designed alloy.

Specifically, the Golden Dollar is: 8.1 grams in weight, 2 mm thick, and 26.5 mm in diameter.

The coins physical makeup is a three-layer clad construction - pure copper sandwiched between and metallurgically bonded to outer layers of manganese brass.

Manganese brass composition:
•77% copper
•12% zinc
•7% manganese
•4% nickel

Golden Dollar's overall composition:
•88.5% copper
•6.0% zinc
•3.5% manganese
•2% nickel

It's STILL almost a 90% Copper coin.........So, I don't understand the post here .....


Here's the math........


1. Calculate 88.5% copper value :

(3.7702 x .00220462262 x 8.1 x .885) = $0.0595828


2. Calculate 6% zinc value :

(0.8980 x .00220462262 x 8.1 x .06) = $0.0009620


3. Calculate 3.5% manganese value :

(3125.00 x (1.0 x 10-6) x 8.1 x .035) = $0.000885


4. Calculate 2% nickel value :

(8.3088 x .00220462262 x 8.1 x .02) = $0.0029673


5. Add the four together :

$0.0595828 + $0.0029673 + $0.000885 + $0.0009620 = $0.0643971


$0.0643971 is the melt value for the 2000-2012 Sacagawea golden dollar on March 22, 2012.



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It's STILL almost a 90% Copper coin.........So, I don't understand the post here .....


This post was simply expressing my surprise at something I had never knew about the coin. I guess I'm a bit daft for not knowing until now.

After getting over my surprise, I now wonder two things:
1) How they put the brass on the edge
2) What kind of a life has she had to wear that brass off!
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How they put the brass on the edge
They do not. The copper core is visible on all of my proof golden baby dollars.
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Huh! I guess my eyes have been mis-calibrated all this time, until now when I notice that the edge seems a slightly different color on quite a few of my "baby dollars."
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I will say that the photo above is an extreme example of how wide the core can appear. The width varies because of how the layers "bleed" when the blanks are stamped.
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So the stamping process pushes enough brass over the copper to make the copper go unnoticed, most of the time.
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Some brass is pushed down but the copper core should still be almost always visible. The copper is nice and bright on a fresh coin and does not look much different in color from the manganese brass outer layers. After the coin has circulated a bit, the copper core would tone brown(like this one) and be more noticeable.
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So it's more the toning of the copper than the circulation wear on the brass that is making this edge so striking, then?
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Yes, the toning increases the contrast between the core and clad layers.
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