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 Posted 03/22/2012  5:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
At the risk of looking foolish, will someone here care to comment on this coins authenticity?

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 Posted 03/22/2012  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no confidence in judging these types of Greek coins.

That's why mine are always lesser types and I still mostly buy from good dealers.

To me the coin looks good but don't run out and buy it on that advice.
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 Posted 03/22/2012  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know me...I don't hold back. Weight? Diameter? Dealer?
Philip of Macedon, perhaps? I'll dig through the databases.
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03/22/2012 6:34 pm
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 Posted 03/22/2012  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uh-oh. Darn...it is a beautiful (copy).

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You know me...I don't hold back. Weight? Diameter? Dealer?
Philip of Macedon, perhaps? I'll dig through the databases.


CLose, Phillip II:


Macedonian Kingdom, Philip II, AR Tetradrachm, 355-348 BC, Thrace-Amphipolis
(No legend)
Laureate head of Zeus right
FILIP_POU
King wearing kausia and chlamys, raising right hand in salute, riding left
Erased protome of pegasos below horse, bow under right foreleg

http://www.beastcoins.com/Macedonia...nKingdom.htm
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 Posted 03/22/2012  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I was gonna say it looked too good to be true....

):

Here is an authentic one, I can note some differences:



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03/22/2012 6:48 pm
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 Posted 03/22/2012  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
REALLY?!

Wow DVC => you're kinda like the guy at the Bourbon-Street party that yells-out => "RETREAT!" => they're all dudes, they're not chicks!"

... keep-up the good work!
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 Posted 03/22/2012  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is why for the most part I stay away from buying Greek silver coins. I know so little about these coin that I would have been easily fooled by this one.
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I was fooled, but luckily I have you guys to keep me from doing something stupid. Thanks
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stevex6,
Thankfully, I've never had that happen...RUN!
Thanks Apollo--I'll get the Philips sorted out someday. I'm pretty inexperienced with these, but the horse looks a bit weak, and the inscription is rough.
I just figured if a coin like this was a copy, it would be documented somewhere. FORVM's database is great!
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03/22/2012 7:25 pm
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DVC => hmmmm wow, you've certainly earned the title of "The King of the Nay-Sayers!"

=> aka => The Devil's Advocate



Note => for the record => I've already had one 3rd-party dealer say that those four coins were actually very nice ... but "if any of them was suspect", the surface of the Dionysian TET Maroneia was the only coin that "may" be suspect ... but most likely the pock-marked surface of the reverse was due to a corroded and/or harshly cleaned die rather than a cast (because the weight was correct) ... blah-blah-blah ...

but again => I'm still gonna get those 4 coins officially 3rd-party graded (assessed) .. and regardless, they are gonna stay in my stable ... they're either gonna be my "4 awesome Greek coins", or they're gonna be the "4 examples of counterfeit Greek coins" ...

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NOTE => I'm still gonna always run any "big purchases" through your screening-net, okay?

thanks DVC

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Stevex6, thanks for the vote of confidence! Happy to know you don't think I'm nitpicky on your coins I do have a good eye for details, although no real experience...unless knowing a little about classical Greek art counts.

Whether they're real or copies, it can't hurt to follow-through on questions raised--it's cheap insurance to be 100% sure. Happy to help out--I also do a lot of research before I pay more than $100 for a Greek coin--I'm learning just like you!


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...most likely the pock-marked surface of the reverse was due to a corroded and/or harshly cleaned die rather than a cast (because the weight was correct)
I noticed that too--and searched around for a coin with similar damage--I didn't find any, but that's hardly condlusive. But, I still think for 3 coins to have some odd things going on--and sold by the same person--that's something that gets my attention.
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 Posted 03/22/2012  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once you can see a comparison it becomes obvious.

Especially the obv.

I will never buy a coin like this without running it through CCF ancients first and then lots of reseach. Probably won't ever buy a real coin like this, unless I hit the lotto.
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Doucet: For high value ancients I do all that you have suggested, then ONLY buy from a highly reputable source anyway, as well as keeping all of the purchase information.

That policy gives you a warmer, fuzzier felling during your period of custodianship.

That way, in the future, your coins are easier to sell (if you have to), and you should get a better price.
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