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I just got back 92 coins from PCGS. On a few I have no idea what or why , on others they graded 2 grades over what I thought. Here are 3 coins where would you put them at?



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 Posted 03/28/2012  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AU90o to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess: 64, 64, 63.

Btw, cool 45a :)
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The 1879 s is really sharp MS 65

1885 0 is hard to see with the toning MS 63

1880 0 MS 64
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1879-S MS-65 (They probably gave it a 66?)

1885-O MS-64

1880-O MS-63
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Well here you are!

The 1885 I had as a lock MS-64 with a good shot at 65 as it looks much better in hand. They gave it an MS-65 Shocked!

The 1879 S and 1880 O well lets just say someone is a bit brain dead! The 1880 has an old fingerprint on it and the 79 is lighter then the photo shows and is an end of roll coin!



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The real shame is to get a few of the coins to grade I have to get them Dipped! This happened too me on a Donkey Tail Graded by ANACS MS-62 Ash Harrison bought it from me and then Crossed it over to PCGS. They Body bagged the thing as Quest Color. A light dip later in the week and WOW it's now an MS-62 Again. Here is one that they also bagged. Now the White double clashed they graded MS-62 and has far less of a strike and less detail. This one came out of an old Dasco holder. Single clashed E Nice old growth Toning



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Wow, you got hosed on that '79-S! I thought fore sure it was a lock at 65 with a real shot at 66 based on the second angle of the obverse. I'm not sure what the questionable color is all about on the 1880-O. Looks like a solid 64 to me.
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For the most part everything came in just where I thought. About 10% higher and 10% lower. But a few of the Lower ones have me baffled!
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That 1880-O you defintely got the shaft on! Looks great to me! Is it rotated or just your photos?
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No I just did not rotate the photo. The 79 S was with me at fun and a few saw in including a grader from somewhere else and put it at "66" SO I thought the worst that it could come back as was a MS-65 "So Much for thinking" The value of a MS-66 did not warrant the 110.00 show grading fee to 1 day it.
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The 79 S obverse looks almost flawless. Reverse has a small mount of chatter, if even that, and I thought it had a shot at 66 upon first look. Dont they typically grade more based on the obverse as opposed to the reverse, or is this just a myth?
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Wow, you got hosed on that '79-S! I thought fore sure it was a lock at 65 with a real shot at 66 based on the second angle of the obverse.


Exactly what I was thinking.
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I've been staring at that for over a few minutes and can't find anything questionable except for where the graders had their heads that day.

Thats a 66 all day and tomorrow, too.
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twohawks-

Color me confused on a couple levels.

In the original post, the last coin shows a rotated 180° reverse, then the fifth post shows a 90° rotated reverse of an 80s that says 80o on the slab.

If neither is rotated, it's literally one keystroke to orient them in Irfanview.

For all the time you took to get pix and post, another 30 seconds would arrange things properly.

More cornfusion:

I'm curious what the total cost was to have 90 coins grade, because overall, it looks like you're throwing away money. For example:

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The 79 S was with me at FUN and a few saw in including a grader from somewhere else and put it at "66" SO I thought the worst that it could come back as was a MS-65 "So Much for thinking" The value of a MS-66 did not warrant the 110.00 show grading fee to 1 day it.


Numismedia 65 181, 66 406. I guess you're saying you didn't pay the $110, but figgered $30-50 was justified on an "at least" $181 coin.

80o:

You don't mention your expectations, three CCF opinions were 64, 63, 63.

Numismedia 63 413, 64 1970. OK, assuming at least a 63, this would be worth a slab.

85o:

Again, no mention, CCF opinions 63, 64, 64.

Numismedia 63 65, 64 86. With a scrap value of $24.70 and likely ebay of $40 or higher, what were you hoping to accomplish? If it made 64, you'd gain $16 and PCGS would make $30. At 63, you'd LOSE $5, but PCGS would still make $30. Even worse, you're out $30 and now have to take the time to break a nice coin out of a kiss of death holder.

Like I said, I'm just trying to figger the rationale people use for TPG.
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Bulk Submission 10.00 a coin cost and 11.00 with shipping and Ins. Of the ones I sent in about 70% are VAM's of higher value then what you are looking at. So even if you have to put 15 MS-62 /63's in the mix to get to 100 coins to meet the min. number for bulk you are much better off. On much higher Value coins 500.00 plus it is a matter of what people trust.

As far as PCGS is concerned or any TPG sometimes flipping the coin is just as good as their Call. But on the flip side with all the BS Cleaned, AT'ed, or AS coins for sale by Gargage sellers trust in the sellers is at an all time low. I would not even call them dealers as one "Dealer" uses PQ like air, when asked Why its PQ he said compard to other coins for sale on E-Bay. That is not a bench-mark of PQ!

Other coins in this batch are 1878 P /79 Rev MS-64, 1884 O MS-65+, 1879 O MS-63, 1886 P MS-63 PL & MS-64 PL, 1888 O H stage 6 scareface MS-63. So the math to hit 100 coins makes sence. I had my coins and Brain Raines added some to get to the right number. At 22.00 plus the 8 bucks pre submision page plus Ins and Shipping both ways the math would not add up. All 6 of my toners graded well also and carry prem for resale.
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Wow, that is a shocker, I was going to with Canadian. Not sure now whether to say Congrats or 'I feel for ya'

I suppose it only reinforces to me to trust my opinion and those of some members here as much or more so than the TPGs.

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