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Valued Member
Australia
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i have bid on this coin ,the selller guaranteed he got it from downies. if anyone thinks it looks altered please let me know ebay- 370598941156 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Those aren't very good pictures to bid on a coin like this.  |
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Australia
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/37059894115...t_1934wt_964Looking for one myself but I'm in no hurry and won't bid on this one but would want proof its been through Downies.I would also ask for a close scan of the date and line up the 3 with the denticles as per the link in the other 1923 thread.I may be wrong but I think someone is turning copies out as they are bobbing up everywhere the last couple of years.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It jumped up pretty quickly in just two days from 99 cents to over $ 800.
Someone must have liked something there in those pictures being that 11 bidders were involved.
I personally would not touch it, however, since I also feel that the pictures could have been much made to show more detail closer up etc...
mdpmedia
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Australia
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There were 3 1923 1/2ds in Downie auction 309, gF sold $1320, F sold $1680, VG not sold, all prices including BP. In lastest Downie auction 310, there were 2 1923 1/2ds, F sold $1500 and aF not sold, all prices inclusing BP. From the picture on ebay, I don't think it is a GF/aVF, the F in Downie looks better than this GF/aVF. just a reference. |
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Australia
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The date looks correctly shaped, it has diagnostic die breaks on both faces. If it's a fake, it's a bloody accurate one.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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If he got the coin from Downies, he should sell the documentation from that sale along with the coin to prove provenance. Otherwise, the seller's guarantee is worthless.
Why would the seller want to keep the documentation without the coin?
I keep the documentation on all valuable coins I buy, in a separate folder, just for the reasons mentioned above.
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Why would the seller want to keep the documentation without the coin?
I agree Sel  Buy 1 Honest coin and keep the paperwork (and the real coin) and sell dodgy coins is the only reason why the paperwork isn't included is my take on this |
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Australia
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Now you know why I like to see a valuable coin in hand before making a decision to buy, UNLESS the seller has a good reputation known to me. In that case I would buy on approval if I want it, and keep the documetation anyway. Downies, if they sell on ebay, would issue at least an official invoice and post that along with the coin on ALL lots, irrespective of value. I think that this sort of hassle is not necessary on LOWER valued lots from ebay, with private persons, because less money is involved. Even private people can sell high value items on ebay, but it is essential that they can prove the provenance of what they sell. I just don't buy that way. |
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I have bought some high value coins without seeing them in hand, only because I have dealt with that dealer/seller on prior occasions and have been very happy with the outcomes. Otherwise I steer clear of high value coins that just dont jell |
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The date looks correctly shaped, it has diagnostic die breaks on both faces. If it's a fake, it's a bloody accurate one. Yep,it looks OK from my limited experience and knowledge but the Chinese fakes are exact copies of the master/donor coin.I read an article about 3 years ago,will post a link when I find it again,that a 3D image of the coin is created from a scan and a computer controlled copy is then created,the author didn't say how this was done or how they get the ageing and weight correct.However after holding a copy of a Australian 1933 Shilling in my hand all I can say is Buyer beware as they're excellent/very good reproductions. Edited by Basil
03/29/2012 7:17 pm
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don't buy such high value coin on ebay unless you know the dealer well. Or ask for the original document. |
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Australia
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The coin appears genuine, the seller has a good track record. My only issue is that he has overgraded the coin. I would only rate it Fine.
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It looks genuine from the reverse side. Dates 2 & 3 look like they're in the perfect position. Generally if it is an altered date, the 2 can look different.
This guy has a great history of coin sales & I have bid on items from him in the past & missed out. Ask for a better picture of the date & I'm sure he'll be willing if it is a genuine coin. I have spotted a couple of fakes that people weren't aware about in the past. They were ticked because they'd paid a decent dollar for the coins.
A while back I was looking at all the examples that I could find & I found far too many fakes around.
If you want to see the pictures I'll see if I can resurrect them.
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a 3D image of the coin is created from a scan and a computer controlled copy is then created How can one anyone (even a TPG) possibly be able to detect an excellent Chinese counterfeit coin of ANY type when for example a) a high resolution very high magnification picture has been posted on CCF to ID surface anomalies(incl. seams in the rims, cast settling points etc...), b) the weight has been determined to be +/- .001 grams within spec., c) an acid test has been performed to detect the presence of precious metals(when applicable), d) a magnet test demonstrated no attraction (for silver, gold etc), e) the ring test's sound confirmed precious metals when applicable, f) the tissue test confirmed 90% silver when applicable, g) the thickness and diameter are within .001 of specs These above characteristics are just some of the more apparent tests that one would think about when confirming the authenticity of 'any' coin(including ones with precious metals) I just cannot understand how even a TPG can be 100% absolutely positive about a coin's authenticity when advanced computer imaging is duplicating a coin 1 for 1 for every single aspect to be measured. In summary please help me understand how it is possible for even a TPG to detect coins manufactured like these. mdpmedia |
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I've been told the main Auction houses can test for the age of any coin but how they do this(if they do) and how they maintain the costs of testing to within reasonable limits would be interesting.
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Posted 03/29/2012 02:47 am
