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Valued Member
United States
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I don't remember this topic being discussed anywhere, so here goes. Lets say that the penny stops being minted. Does the value of pennies go up because there aren't anymore being minted and being taken out of circulation, or would it hurt the value of them because people dont use them? Would they end up like the 2&3 cent pieces that have low mintage's but aren't as valuable as they could be because people don't use them?
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Pillar of the Community
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It seems to me the interest in coin, their value, rarity, mintage, errors, etc., exists for those coins that exist today. If production of Linc cents were to stop today the level of interest would remain with fluctuation from coin to coin, as it does today. The fact that no more are being produced does not alter interest in what currently exists, at least generally. There might be an increase in value simply because no more are going to be produced. Another market may appear for all the non value cents that will not be followed in future years. What you would not see is interest in coins that are not going to be produced in the future, because, they don't exist. Just MHO. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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To me....any time you tell someone "this is the end, there will be no more" people start acting stupid and hoard for hoardings sake. If they announced today there would be no more Lincoln cents...there would be a mad dash for coin by the general public and prices would spike, temporarily most likely, long term, unlikely.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'd say the prices would be artificially inflated as we'd have more people interested suddenly. As interest returned to "normal" levels, prices would drop a bit. Only three things truely effect value: rarity, condition and supply/demaand.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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True that at first there would be a run on Pennies if it was stated that there will be no more. Then after a while all such prices should drop due to less and less people collecting them. Possibly the most common coin collected in the USA is the Cent because almost every kid collects them. Kids start right away with the Cent since it is available, cheap, fun, in large quantities and since other kids collect them, makes for a popular hobby. If there are no more being made, it will become like the 2, 3 and 20 cent type of coin. Still a collectable but without a massive amount of collectors, prices will become less and less. The Cent, (Penny) will end up like the Half Dollar. Something of the past.
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Valued Member
United States
157 Posts |
Would be intersting to see what would happen if the cent were eliminated. From an economics 101 standpoint, supply might be decreased as I imagine the days of getting rolls from banks would be over and there'd be reduced opportunities for roll searching meaning that you'd have to directly buy the coin you need to fill a hole. Demand could eventually fizzle as well as younger members of society lose interest in cents because they don't see them in circulation. But on the other hand, maybe the next generation continues to collect cents because they depict the president many (not all, but many) believe is the best president we've ever had. So maybe interest would remain despite the coin not being in circulation, much like interest remains in Morgan dollars and Walking Liberty halves, despite the fact that neither of those still circulates in any appreciable quantity. In my estimation, lot of interest in collecting of cents is that it's the cheapest and easiest way to start collecting a date and mintmark set (despite the fact that it's a hard set to complete!). Given that, if the cent were eliminated, is it possible the next geneation of collectors would start collecting nickels instead? It would be interesting to see if young Canadian numismatists continue to collect cents with their iconic maple leaf reverses, or if they turn to collecting nickels.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I believe it has been said on CCF numerous times, that the Lincoln Cent is the most collected coin by amateurs and novices, as well as seasoned veterans and professionals. In Numismatics, the Cent is just the most collected coin out there. Now......IMO, it isn't the newer "Zincolns" that are necessarily highly prized and highly sought after, it's the 1909 to at least 1958 collections that are the most valuable and hardest to complete generally. So, this would not be any different or change ANYTHING if they stopped making the Lincoln Cent.The ongoing Cent, (1959 -2012 and beyond) is easily attainable to keep everyone's collection "current", which is, of course, important......and to find them in good gem/BU/MS condition can certainly be a challenge, but it doesn't impact or destroy the interest because there would be an "end" date here. The ability to put a collection together from circulation is not without merit......but once they're no longer in circulation or produced by the Mint.....I still don't see the attractiveness of this collection deteriorating all that much. There will be many "new" collectors who may or may not get into the Lincoln Cent at that point, due to that reason.... but they'll still be available in the marketplace of the Coin World for INFINITY !The sheer "popularity" of the Lincoln Cent will be there for many many lifetimes to come, IMO. The "love" and "passion" that Lincoln collectors have for this coin isn't due to the fact that they are still being minted.......this will never die easily, even a generation after the last Lincoln Cent coin is produced by the United States Mint. This coin has it's place in numismatic history sealed forever..... (even if Copper and Zinc never attain Gold or Silver values ! ....  ..) Ahhh.....but then you only mentioned...... potential future "value"..... hard dollars and cents MONEY they might be worth. And now I bring out my Crystal Ball...........  Nobody can know the answer to that question.......it's truly UNKNOWABLE ! Anything to the contrary would just be "theorizing" and "conjecture"......similar to "What will the price of Silver be next year ?"......Ha Ha.......only people with special powers can know these things ! ..... 
Edited by eaglefoot 04/02/2012 10:57 am
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Valued Member
United States
157 Posts |
While I think the time is due for elimination of our cent, I think the combination of political influence from the zinc mining lobby and the lack of desire to be a congressperson that votes to eliminate the great Abe Lincoln from circulating coinage will ensure it never happens. However, being creative, we could eliminate the cent without getting rid of Honest Abe from circulating coinage. In my mind, a good solution would be to eliminate the cent, eliminate the paper dollar, and once the Presidential dollars program ends in 2016 or whenever it is, permanently put Abe on $1 coins. Quite frankly, I'm like many who'd like to see the effigies of actual people eliminated from the faces of circulating coinage, and leave commemoratives for honoring former presidents and the like, and return to iconic images of liberty. However, I doubt that will ever happen, so hopefully a creative solution like the Lincoln Dollar will someday happen.
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 United States
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Quote: I'd say the prices would be artificially inflated as we'd have more people interested suddenly. As interest returned to "normal" levels, prices would drop a bit. Only three things truely effect value: rarity, condition and supply/demaand. I agree. 
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Valued Member
United States
406 Posts |
Well, under our current system, we have Lincoln on both a coin and a paper note, and we also have George Washington on both a coin and a paper note. Remove Lincoln's coin and Washington's paper note and they both still appear on our circulating money. Problem solved! As far as the original topic goes, with the sheer massive numbers of LMC's that have been minted over the years I find it very hard to imagine a price rise of any significance if the cent was done away with. There will likely be a steady rise in the price of very high-grade specimens, but that will happen regardless whether the cent is eliminated or not. Plus I imagine the Mint will still make NIFC cents so the collector demand will be satisfied, much like they have done with the Kennedy half.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:Plus I imagine the Mint will still make NIFC cents so the collector demand will be satisfied, much like they have done with the Kennedy half. I'm not sure if they would do that, since they have to order the blanks from another company and I don't know if they would still do that or not, with such a small quantity. Imagine going from billions of cent blanks made to just tens of millions or less. Yeah, they could charge a lot more, but I don't know if they will sell them as rolls though. If they were just offered in the BU and Proof sets, it would just be a few million blanks made. And I don't know if demand would increase enough on the sets, especially if their prices took a big jump up in price to include the cents. Or I guess they could order a billion of them and have them for many years to come. I say, if they are not going to mint the coins for circulation, then don't mint them for the sets. The whole point of the sets is to show what is being minted for use. Otherwise, why doesn't the Mint include the 2 cent, 3 cent, etc in our sets today then? I bet that the NIFC half dollar is really driving up the price of the sets now. It is quite expensive to make the hubs, dies, etc for such a small mintage.
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Quote: Remove Lincoln's coin and Washington's paper note and they both still appear on our circulating money. Problem solved! Exactly!  Quote: I'm not sure if they would do that, since they have to order the blanks from another company and I don't know if they would still do that or not, with such a small quantity. With the NIFC cent, they should go back to the 95% copper. They can do it in house or outsource them (not sure how they did it for the 2009 issues). Point is, it can be done for the smaller quantities and if the mint and proof sets cost more, so be it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Point is, it can be done for the smaller quantities and if the mint and proof sets cost more, so be it. I hope they decide not to include them, if it is going to drive up the price even more for the sets. They are over priced as it is, for their quality. Too many bag marks on many coins of most sets, especially the BU ones.
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 United States
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I suppose we can agree to disagree on this.  However, I will agree with you on one point. If there is no NIFC cent, then there should no longer be an NIFC half dollar.
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Valued Member
United States
157 Posts |
Personally I would prefer that NIFC coins not be included in mint sets and proof versions of NIFC business strike coins not be included in proof sets, and I hope we'd eliminate the NIFC Kennedy half after its 50th anniversary here in a couple of years. It's somewhat ludicrous that the 2012 Mint Sets will include 28 coins with a face value of $15.82 (assuming my hasty math is correct) of which 8 coins with a face value of $2.82 are actually intended for circulation. 71% of the present-day mint sets are practically commemorative coins at this point. (Nonetheless, I'll still buy it because I want to keep sets currents and would like to complete the Presidential dollar series, because I'm a fool like that). We're presently down to circulating coins of four denominations (1c, 5c, 10c, 25c) and if the cent is eliminated, down to three (5c, 10c, 25c), assuming those in charge don't come to their senses and eliminate the paper $1 so that a $1 coin actually circulates. After ATB ends in 2021, that would leave us with only six-coin mint sets and three-coin proof sets. While I would like the return to simpler times and smaller annual sets, I can't imagine the Mint would go back to making such small sets, given that the seniorage on all of the NIFC coins included in sets must be huge.
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Valued Member
United States
268 Posts |
I think that in like 50 years after they are done being minted the value might go up.I know that Canada has stopped minting the penny so I think that the value might go up.
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