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jwharper => thank you very much for the awesome history summary!

Geesh => like most of these Romans, Maximian sounded like he was a bit of a wild-card! ... he should have left well enough alone in 305 AD (he had it made, living in comfort and relaxing in Italy)


=> but apparently instead, Maximian decided to slew-foot his own son, and then his son-in-law! (those ideas certainly back-fired on him, eh?) ... ummmm, but just for the record, if someone orders you to commit suicide, is that not murder?


Thanks again, jwharper ... fascinating stuff!
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I thought an image might help.

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Ummm, well he certainly looks like a nice chap ...

=> he's kinda got my Dad's infamous New Year's Eve look on his face => *yikes*
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What about my coin, itself? ...

=> I see that "Victory" often shows-up on these old Roman coins ... I guess I should research it's/his/her origin
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I answered my own question ...

VICTORY => In ancient Roman religion, Victoria was the personified goddess of victory. She is the Roman equivalent of the Greek goddess Nike.

Unlike the Greek Nike, Victoria (Latin for "victory") was a major part of Roman society. Multiple temples were erected in her honor. She was normally worshiped by triumphant generals returning from war.

Also unlike the Greek Nike, who was known for success in athletic games such as chariot races, Victoria was a symbol of victory over death and determined who would be successful during war.


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Multiple temples were erected in her honor. She was normally worshiped by triumphant generals returning from war.
From what I've read, Roman temples to Nike also contained treasuries of their spoils of war. These Roman temples were sometimes looted by invading armies, becoming their spoils of war--or what goes around comes around.
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Hey DVC ... how are you doing tonight? (thanks for contributing) ... yah sorry, I admit that I merely went to wikipedia and searched for "victory", so my ized summary was sure to be a bit shaky!

Hey => what does the "XXI E" represent? (is this telling me where it was minted?) ... yah sorry, again you are dealing with a dude that is very interested in learning, and very eager to gather-up coins, but knows next to nothing about those coins! (please continue to help a brother out!)

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It is believed that the XXI mark is an indication of the metal content of 20 parts copper and 1 part silver.
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That's interesting--I always learn something new about Roman and Greek coins.
Steve, doing well here...I admit, I also go to Wikipedia for a lot of answers too.
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Quiz: Who is older Zeus or Nike?
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"Nike is older than Zeus"

=> She participated in the Titanomachy on the side of the gods, and as a personification, is a child of Pallas (a Titan) and Styx (a primordial) ...


... ummm again, I merely took this from wikipedia


... and then I had to look-up Titanomachy (*sigh*)
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My vote in on Zeus...that name has origins prior to Greece.
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Nike or Nice is the daughter of Pallas and Styx.

Hesiod puts her in the first divine race and therefore older than the Olympians. However, Apollodorus (The Library) shows Pallas and Styx being second generation Titans, which would make Nike third generation.

Zeus was born to Cronos (youngest Titan) and Rhea, his sister and would be second generation. It is not clear (to me) who was actually born first (in Mythology), but they were very near the same age and it is said Nike was a close childhood playmate of Zeus. Whether a little older or younger I still have to figure out.

Nevertheless I find it remarkable that the image of Nike (Victory) was used on early Greek coins all the way into Late Roman coins. She must be the longest running continuous image on coins ever.

I would like to find the earliest use on a Greek coin and the last Emperor to use the Nike image on an ancient Roman coin.
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DAY #4 => COIN#27

D I O C L E T I A N
284-305 A.D.
Antoninianus,
22mm
3.81 g.
Rome Mint. Struck ca. 290 AD.
Obverse: IMP DIOCLE TIANVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right.
Reverse: IOVI FV LGERATORI, Jupiter standing facing, head right, preparing to hurl thunderbolt; at feet to left, eagle standing left, head right; XXI Î" in exergue.
Ref. RIC V 168 var. (unlisted officina and with eagle). near XF, flan crack.

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=> what about this coin? ... any comments?

Thanks again for commenting on my coins and/or for helping me learn more about this wonderful side of coin collecting!
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He initiated the last and most severe of the persecutions against Christians. A few years later Christianity was officially tolerated.
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