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20c 2002 Rounded Rim - Why?

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20c-2002--Rounded-Rim---Why?

I am reading up on the coin making process right now! Not sure why I have not done this before!

If there is no rim, then no collar, then this is a broadstrike, which makes the coin larger and thinner. This coin is slighter smaller, so not that. The edges seem to be deeper, but I cannot measure this.

Any ideas?
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 Posted 04/04/2012  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Three possibilities that I can think of. First, someone has polished off the edge graining. Second is that there was a lower than usual striking pressure. The edge graining is formed by the collar only if the striking pressure was high enough. Final possibility is that the blank was ever so slightly undersize and the edge graining was not formed because the coin didn't "spread" enough. Got some scales accurate to 0.1 of a gram? The mass would be interesting to know.
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If the edges are deeper, and the coin is smaller, another explanation may be that the coin has been stood on it's edge on a metal surface and tapped with a hammer, turned a tiny bit and tapped again, this is repeated numerous times until the edge is quite smooth.

Years ago, this method was used with one & two shilling coins and when the edge was wide enough, the entire centre was drilled out, smoothed all around, and you were left with a silver ring, and if the person doing it was careful, the legend could still be read.

Just one more possibility.
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I think this would also happen if it was rolled on its edge long enough.
I have a 5c somewhere which has a similar (but even more pronounced) effect.
My theory is that it was in some type of machine that rolled it until the edges were wider and the reeding was gone.
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I used to see a great many 10 cent coins in particular, of this vintage, with barely discernable edge milling. That would make for a very common error or variety, depending how you look at it.

Just for fun, I have completely removed the milling with fine polishing, and put such a coin back into circulation.

The above explanations by markn and nancyc for weak or non existant milling seem perfectly reasonable to me.
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Coins can get stuck in the rolling machines at say Armaguard and go round..and round...and round...and round. Or it went through the clothes dryer?
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That's a good suggestion Nancy!
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I will get it weighed 2mrw, and get some close up pictures done of the rim.

I like your idea Nancy, although I would not like to see the woman that this coin would be adhered to!
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It could be a drier coin
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I am new to this area so I might be seriously wrong. I have seen such coins many times (20c, 10c or 5c). I kept some then put them back to circulation when I realized that's quite common. I guess that was through the circulation. I will keep a eye on that and see can I find one as smooth as yours.
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I rarely see them with no ridges on the rim at all. This one stands out like a sore thumb!
The clothes drier concept I have trouble with, surely with the amount of time required to obtain the smooth rim somebody would have heard the clanging and gone to investigate. Possible though.
I don't know how rolling machines work so I have to add them to the list of things to learn about.

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