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So I have had my eye on a certified 53 Franklin proof, PR65 Cameo, with some attractive edge toning.
Personally, I am a fan of nice toning, even on proofs. I know some prefer a totally clean look.
My question is, condisering the pricetag on these coins, would it be foolish to purchase this coin at around $300? Is the "value" effected because of the toning, or is beauty in the eye of the beholder?
Again, I like the look so its a positive to me. Say I wanted to sell down the road, would you think the toning is good or bad? Or, is it completely dependant on the buyers personal taste?
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I dont have pictures. Next time I go to the shop, I will ask if I can take some.
I think the toning is what most anyone would consider attractive, as toning goes.
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What is the certification company?
What does the grey sheet list for the value of it?
The toning only increases the value for someone that likes it, so if you ever wanted to sell it, it would have to be sold to a specific buyer to get that extra premium.
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Generally, I'm gonna wager that the toning increases the value unless it's a bad AT job or really ugly. It's not hard to find somebody willing to pay a premium for toning.
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Numismedia lists 65CAM @$220 and 66CAM @$300, the toning needs to be really eye appealing for an $80 premium
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Its PCGS and its listed between 225 and 1000 (depending on eye appeal and level of cameo) according to the CG to Franklin halves, Tomaska. Take that for what its worth... Im not sure what/how to check Grey Sheet. Info on that would be cool to have if anyone can easily post it. |
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Hmm, very good info.
I know what I think of the toning, I will do my best to share a picture for thoughts.
Seems that as long as I think the toning is attractive, I am looking at whether or not I think the premium is worth $80.
I think 300 is a fair price, but obviously, I'm not sold yet.
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Is this the same coin you had asked about in the topic below? https://goccf.com/t/114805#114805If so, it must be screaming for you to buy it but you just don't want to pay too much. I say buy the coin if it grabs you, and ask for the dealers best bottom price on it. I would not go in there with a camera and take pictures and leave the shop without the coin. If you are drooling on this coin and the dealer knows you like it so much the price won't be any better. I discouraged the use of cameras in my antique shop I owned. One time I had someone in taking pictures and I happened to be checking on items I had in the store and comparing my prices with items like it on ebay. There was an item in my shop up for sale on ebay by a rather irritating browsing customer and they didn't even buy it yet.  I guess they were going to come and pick it up when the bidding exceeded my price tag plus the usual 10 or 20 % off I give as a discount. Back then you could contact the bidders no problem as their whole bidder name showed, I let them know the story and they retracted the bids.  I never saw that dirty dog come in my store again. I didn't miss the business either. |
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Numismedia lists 65CAM @$220 and 66CAM @$300, the toning needs to be really eye appealing for an $80 premium The toning wouldn't increase the grade though. Toning is just a personal preference, so it is up to the buyer to see if it is worth the extra premium or not. I personally don't think it is, since I don't care for too much toning. I prefer to see the original color of the coin. |
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Toning can increase the value of a coin ten fold or more sometimes! Seems you like it so buy it
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Of course toning won't increase the grade and I am not sure how you could derive that from my comment  The sale price represents an $80 premium over the value of a PR65CAM(matching the value of a PR66CAM), that is the point I was making. |
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TheNickelGuy, you busted me! Its the same coin.
Thank you all for the insight. I will not take a pic, I will see what the best price is I can get.
I will let everyone know how things progress.
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Of course toning won't increase the grade and I am not sure how you could derive that from my comment Since you specifically said $80, I thought you meant it would be the same as a PRF 66. It was probably just a coincidence that the amount of $80 and the next grade equaled the same amount then. I just wanted to make sure, since grading and its value and toning and its value are separate, even though luster and eye appeal are part of grading. It all falls into one big, cloudy, confused, personal description of what we call grading.  The main reason why we all learn to grade for ourselves and determine what it should be graded. |
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There is something to be said for a toned cameo proof Franklyn. I have a 1961 that is my favorite of the set in pf 67 cam. If the coin really grabs you and you would be forlorn to have missed the opportunity to add it to your collection then make an offer. I would expect it to be of exceptional eye appeal to be priced $75 over PCGS's over inflated price guide.
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Quote:There was an item in my shop up for sale on ebay by a rather irritating browsing customer and they didn't even buy it yet. I guess they were going to come and pick it up when the bidding exceeded my price tag plus the usual 10 or 20 % off I give as a discount. I would have never contacted the bidders. I would have let them bid on it, and when the item sold and the guy came to buy the item for you I would have raised my price to exactly what he "sold" it for. |
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