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$60 doesn't sound bad at all.
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You did well IMHO. You did not get any great deals, but you got coins worth what you paid.
The first coin is Philip I AR Antoninianus. Antioch mint, 244 AD. IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS P F AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right, PM below bust / VIRTVS EXERCITVS, Virtus standing right, holding spear & resting hand on shield, RIC 74. Worth in this condition around $30-$35
The second coin as you know is Gordian III AR Antoninianus. IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right / FELICIT TEMP, Felicitas standing left with caduceus & cornucopiae. RIC 140. Probably worth near $30-$35
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04/12/2012 11:35 pm
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Thanks! now I have to decide whether to keep them in mylar flips or in 2x2s. All my other coins are in 2x2s so id like to do that to be consistent but with all that info I'm not sure if I will be able to fit it all on.
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You should be reasonably satisfied with those two. I would be.
jwharper has given the clues as to how these would be written up.
The only things I would add, is that the words in the full attribution need abbreviating, and the price paid with the date, should be noted on the 2 x 2. Examine a copy of one David Sear's books regarding how to abbreviate the writing up. That way, if you wish to relocate the coin in your collection, all of the attribution information moves with it.
With the more expensive ancients, all of the written purchase information should be kept in a separate ring binder, using plastic sleeve pages. Actually, that should be done with ALL of your more valuable coins.
As you may have come to appreciate, the documentary approach to collecting ancients is a little different to modern numismatics.
Some years ago, I was in the Safe Room of the Department of Coins and Medals in the British Museum. Saw wonderful things like a complete set of the Australian Kangaroo Office 2 ounce to 1/4 ounce gold coins of 1851, a pristine Macintosh & Degraves shilling, and tray after tray of pristine Roman gold aureii. I was just about as happy as a pig in mud on THAT day!
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04/13/2012 08:55 am
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That would be awesome sel!
I was in the university library the other day and they had over 30 books on roman coins so I'm going to try and get a hold of some of them and try and save some cash. I have decided on a way to store them and will post pics once I've done them.
Thanks!
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What you are doing is precisely the the way I became interested in Roman coins initially. Get as many books out of that library a you can and read them. It will cost you a bit of time, and so you may be a bit scarcer on the CCF for a while, but if you do, but it will be worth it.
At least reading the library books won't cost you much.
The best value for money reference book for Roman coins that you can get at the moment is David Sear's 'Roman Coins and Their Values' 1984 ed., It is a single volume reprint, but it is currently available. It comes with a red dust jacket. Sear's four volume set is a bit much if you are also interested in other areas of numismatics, as I am.
I recently acquired the two volume set of Sear's 'Greek Coins and Their Values', but I have had a copy of Seltman's 'Greek Coins' for many years.
Actually, I have a niece who has just been awarded a pHd for a thesis on Roman sociology. SHE knows her way around the collection of Roman coins at Macquarie University! Will probably end up writing a few books on things Roman to add to their library.
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04/13/2012 09:00 am
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Thanks for the advice Sel! Its much appreciated. I am thinking of trying to collect emperors to start with: that is one of each (i know some are too expensive). Next pay I'm going to try and order a nice judean coin and then another emperor. Is this a good way to collect romans or is there a better way do you think? Also suggestions for the next emperor ( was hoping around $50 for a nice silver coin)?
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04/13/2012 09:33 am
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I think that if you buy some better coins of the common emperors to start with that should keep you happy and your collection growing at a steady pace without breaking the bank.
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I have a slim about volume (about 60 pages), that specialises on Biblical coins only, but I cannot find it just now. Will post some info. on it when I find it.
When it comes to acquiring ANY coin I am an opportunist. If a piece interests me I will consider buying it.
Always ask myself three questions:
1.) Is it a fake?
2.) Does it interest me for whatever reason?
3.) Is it good value for money?
Actually, I collect all coins ancient to modern, all centuries, all cultures.
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04/13/2012 10:00 am
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Jwharper, sel, anyone
The gordian antoninianus which I purchased is from which mint and between which years?
Are the years 243/244 correct? Because I dont have a book yet I have been scouring vcoins for comparisons and it appears that all those similar to mine have different legends on the reverse so I cant work out the mint this way.
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Have a look at the 'WILDWINDS' site. there a lot of coins to troll through, but you should find a match with your coins.
The dates can be usually tracked down but mostly, the mint is not noted on the coin. Coins in this period usually don't carry mint marks, and so the mint has to be identified by style, which can be quite uncertain to distinguish mint from mint. Some issues came from one mint only, and this is usually given in the information on the Wildwinds site, when it is known.
Without a book reference, I would imagine you will end up consulting the wildwinds site quite often.
However, sooner or later, you will need at some books to study and review the develoment of Roman coinage.
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On many of my larger coins the legend has the tribunicuan power, imperatorial acclamation or the consulship with the number of these they held. If you know what year they held these titles then you will be able to figure out around what year the coin was minted. Sometimes they will have a combination of these on the coin so it helps to know the years for each. There are many reference books out there that can be picked up for around $20-$25 that will come in handy. I personally like the books by david sear & Wayne G. Sales, these books usually come with more then enough info to get you started.
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04/14/2012 06:49 am
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The first coin is Philip I AR Antoninianus. Antioch mint, 244 AD. IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS P F AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right, PM below bust / VIRTVS EXERCITVS, Virtus standing right, holding spear & resting hand on shield, RIC 74. Worth in this condition around $30-$35 We will all have differing opinions on values of coins depending on how much we want a variety. For example your Philip is a rather nice example of the rare variation with the PM under the bust rather than at the end of the obverse legend in line with the rest. When I bought my first one back in 2002, they were going for about $150 but there has been a hoard recently so you see them a lot more often now for under $100. $35 is a deal I could not pass up even though I already have two of the Virtus type with PM under. Many people agree with me that Antioch mint coins are better than Rome mint so you will have trouble finding equally nice examples of the other two reverses from this group for that price. In my book, you did very well. I foyu have further interest in Philip, you may visit my page on him: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do.../philip.htmlIf you want to see a lot of coins of Philip and his family try this site: http://ettuantiquities.com/Philip_1/I might point out that this page just links to its author's collection in various categories but if you put in the work to figure out his organization you can see over 300 coins. On several occasions I have posted here that I do not suggest buying a lot of books. I believe beginners in the first stages of learning can find enough to make their heads hurt online for free and some of the better books are just plain expensive for what they offer. Part of this is my dislike for the theory that something is true just because it is written in a book and suspicious just because it is posted on the Internet. I own several hundred coin books and suggest you will, too, if you stick with the hobby. What I suggest is that you use some restraint and critical selection skills before buying too many books. I agree the one volume Sear Roman is a nice thing to have. Also please understand that there is no do-all, be-all book on ancient coins. Do not get thrilled or upset when you discover that you have a coin not listed in some catalog book. That is just part of the game. There are a million variations of ancient coins and probably several hundred coins that exist in only one known example. This is not a hobby where you can build a complete roll set of key dates bust by sending a check to a super-store. Enjoy. |
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Im going to check the library for a vloume of david sears tomorrow but if they dont have it I think i'll pick one up in a week or two. Whilst I have found much information on the web its always nice to have it in one spot.
The wildwinds site is fantastic though sel. Using that I now believe the gordian III is actually RIC 142 not 140 as jwharper kindly pointed out. The reverse legend reads FELICITAS TEMPORVM rather than just FELICIT TEMP.
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04/15/2012 01:24 am
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