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 Posted 02/04/2007  10:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cpfull to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I received a few coins from my parents for christmas, and most of them look pretty dirty. Dad was/is not a collector, he just had a few morgan and Peace dollars, as well as quite a few Mercury dimes in a safe deposit box. My question is how to get the excess gunk off them or if I should. Several of the mercs look like they have a layer of grease on them, ruining the eye appeal of the set while the peace dolars all look dingy and grey.Some of them have black areas, tarnished silver I assume. one of them in particular is a overall grey/green/yellow, not pvc I have been told. another has a bright green spot on a wing. So my question is, how can I clean them, without "cleaning" them and ruining any value they have
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 Posted 02/04/2007  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love it when this subject is raised.

You're going to hear differing opinions of cleaning coins. Obviously you already know that cleaning affects the value of the coin. There are circumstances, though, when the need to remove potentially-damaging stuff on the coin outweighs the need to keep the coin original. PVC damage, verdegris on copper and the like.

This is my personal policy, and my policy only: I generally leave circulated coins without harmful coatings untouched. Cleaning gives circulated coinage an "unnatural" look which is immediately obvious. In rare cases, with *really* cruddy coins, I will soak them in distilled water for a few days, and then freeze them - the freezing/cooling action tends to break the crud away from the surface, if it's something that is water-soluble.

I am willing to soak copper in olive oil to the same end, although the need hasn't come up in my collection yet. Olive oil is completely benign; you can leave copper in it for as long as you want.

Acetone is the same way with silver - you can leave it soak for months without affecting the metal. I have done this, for silver coins which needed help (you need to regularly change the acetone bath to get rid of what it's removed). Being an organic solvent, though, there is much that acetone will not remove.

I have no qualms about using acetone with uncirculated silver. It will not affect toning or inorganic matter on the coin, and it won't remove anything that would make the coin look unnatural. Acetone will halt PVC damage, although it will not restore a coin whose surface has already been affected by the PVC. I have heard empirical evidence that acetone does not affect copper, although I have no experience in that area.

It is only in dire circumstances that I will do anything more serious to a coin.

Now, let the debate begin (again).
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 Posted 02/04/2007  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, CPF, since our trails haven't crossed before on the forum, welcome! This is easily the friendliest coin forum on the 'net and its members are an encyclopedia of information.

My own rule is: don't clean coins. If a coin has any value, it becomes; irreparably lost if cleaned.

That said, if a coin has any potential value yet still needs to have gunk cleaned off it, send it to a professional coin conservator such as Numismatic Conservation Service http://www.ncscoin.com/ . If a coin has lower value (say, less than $100 - this is an arbitrary figure; the individual needs to decide for him/herself the cutoff where it's not worth it to have a coin professional cleaned), then one might try homebrew remedies with the understanding that coin graders and dealers can generally readily detect when a coin has been cleaned. Note: this does not apply to ancient (Roman, Greek, etc) coins.

I have attempted to clean only one coin in my life: a very circulated very low grade (G-04 at best) 1879 Carson City Morgan dollar which bounced back from the grading company with "environmental damage", a black substance which coated much of the coin's fields (flat parts). I've sacrificed this coin (worth about 80 bucks) to my education and experimentation collection, have soaked it in acetone, boiled it in water, sprayed and wiped it with Windex, tried gasoline, and have tried other chemical means, all without any success; whatever is on it has become part of the metal and the only way to remove it will remove the coin's surfaces. I will not try mechanical means such as brushing (wire or otherwise); this would absolutely ruin the coin for just about any purpose.

Generally, however, the cardinal rule is: don't clean coins.

Fred

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 Posted 02/04/2007  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't clean 'em unless and until you know what you're doing. Try methods on cheap, unimportant coins first. I will only use Acetone or Xylol (generic: Xylene) to soak coins in which have "gunk" or PVC on them. I have had good results with silver and copper coins. Always remember to rinse them with distilled water, NOT tap water, then a final rinse in fresh Acetone or Xylene, both of which evaporate almost immediately.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cpfull to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These peacedollars are not really valuable, most would be fine or very fine, with one possibly reaching XF. But I would like to sell some of them to put toward other coins I want (not relly interested in Peace dollars.) and even if I were to keep them, they look really ugly right now. I like an old looking coin, some of my favorites are some walking liberty and barber 1/2s that are also dirty, but you can see the coin behind it, if you know what I mean. These Peace ones all you see is dirt and tarnish.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wardtom084 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting to hear there is no ultrasonics out there to clean coins. I can see where there might NOT be a proper "liquid" to clead as not all liquids would clean all liquids that may have dried on coins. What ever the reason behind cleaning the coin would just be to remove the coin and separate it from what is not the coin. Sounds like it is much harder than that.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My recommendation is that if you want to sell a coin, let the next owner make the decision about what to do to it. The collector who will buy your coins may want them to be natural-looking or may have a whole lot more experience at "conserving" coins than you. Why make an irreparable mistake?

If they are going to stay in your collection, do what pleases you. But please remember that you are but the temporary custodian of these things. They were here before you and unless you fail as their caretaker, they'll be here long after you are gone.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cpfull, you have good advise from the others, same advise I received from them a month or two ago. I had some Lincoln cents with film on them. Thought it was lacquer, might have been PVC. Used acetone on them, removed the film and did not change the tone or surface of the coins at all. I have heard that it does effect the newer zinc cents and have not tried it. I purchased 3 ASEs with an enamel flag painted on liberty. I am sure you have seen them on tv. Per becky, I soaked them in acetone for about 3+ minutes and it came right off and did not harm the mint finish at all. The best advise has been olive oil on copper. Someone had suggested it for really corroded copper, said it works well but you have to leave them in it along time. I took two large cent and one Two Cent coin about a month ago and put them in EVOO (Rachel's extra virgin olive oil) and have not looked at them until reading your post. It is absolutely AMAZING. They looked like bubble gum all over and you could not read a thing, they were black. In one month I am seeing some copper color and a lot of the coin lettering and dates are legible. Weird thing is that the bubble gum corrosion is going away but it is not in the bottom of the jar.
They were heading for the garbage, not any more. Jim
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 Posted 02/05/2007  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
My own rule is: don't clean coins. If a coin has any value, it becomes; irreparably lost if cleaned.


I agree with MorganFred on this one. You can clean them, but ya can't un-clean them.
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