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sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 04/22/2012 02:35 am We as a group have almost concluded that this coin is not genuine. Not all is lost. The salvage that can be made is that this coin can become part of a reference collection to aid in the identification of fakes. I buy all of the fake coins that are offered (PROVIDED that they are sold as fake), to add to my reference collection. If there is an OBVIOUS intention to deceive, I normally report the seller. Report this Post to the Staff
Funny Money Valued Member United States 424 Posts	Posted 04/22/2012 08:24 am There's always ANACS for authenticity...got that deal going for $10... edit...make that 14 bucks, I just checked... https://goccf.com/t/116898 Edited by Funny Money 04/22/2012 08:27 am Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 04/22/2012 10:04 am This is a complete fake. The date just screams it. the denticals are funky, as mentioned te right arrow shaft is missing but it doesn't show weakness from polishing in that area. The whole thing just looks wrong. I don't think it is contemporary either. It has the look of one of the modern Chinese fakes. And it is. The Counterfeiter the Coin World likes to interview so much, can't remember his name, started with a J, used to have pictures of all his counterfeits posted on it. I downloaded all of them before his photo host went away and this coin is an exact match for his 67 rays piece. Report this Post to the Staff
TNG Bedrock of the Community United States 10284 Posts	Posted 04/22/2012 11:13 am Yes, I must apologize for giving such false hopes in my earlier posts. I see that the word CENTS also does not quite line up as it should with the rays. See the N is off a bit and some of the stars are too close to some of the rays. On a side observation, I just realized on Moes genuine coins pictured .. Isn't it interesting in the images supplied by Moe how it shows the stars line up in completely different areas on with stars vs the no stars coins? See the N in CENTS lines up with the rays on his and on the w/o rays version it is between stars. Yepper, it is a good fake but it goes to show how closely we need to study our coins before buying them. Good thing we have the collective knowledge and experience of this forum to help us all in this great hobby. Edited by TNG 04/22/2012 11:27 am Report this Post to the Staff
SteveCaruso Pillar of the Community United States 1796 Posts	Posted 04/22/2012 9:30 pm At ~4 grams it is without a doubt a counterfeit, otherwise there would be nearly no detail left. Report this Post to the Staff
biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 04/22/2012 11:21 pm The mushy indistinct denticles were an immediate red flag for me and and a weight of only 4.2 grams pretty much seals the deal for not genuine. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 04/23/2012 12:03 am Quote: Isn't it interesting in the images supplied by Moe how it shows the stars line up in completely different areas on with stars vs the no stars coins? See the N in CENTS lines up with the rays on his and on the w/o rays version it is between stars. There are at least four different rev hubs used on the Shield nickels, one for the with rays and three for the no rays and the stars line up differently on each of them. (There is also at least one more with rays rev of the adopted type that also has the stars differently arranged but I believe it was only used on patterns.) Report this Post to the Staff
dooly Valued Member United Kingdom 348 Posts	Posted 04/28/2012 9:06 pm Hi .. yes I have to concur it is 100% fake shield and looks to me to be a False die type.. these are highly sort by shield buffs but I do not think yours is a contempary forgery as all the ones I have seen are usually with the reverse hub variety IIa as the forgers of the time did not go for the "with rays" reverse as they had stopped producing them by the time the forgers were up and running. and the simpler design was a lot easier to copy. so I would say that this piece is a modem "ish" one since the with rays type has been increasing in value. Report this Post to the Staff
Prethen Pillar of the Community United States 3234 Posts	Posted 04/30/2012 10:27 am Reverse looks quite odd to me. Report this Post to the Staff
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