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Questions About Unusual Markings/Brandings On Barber Coin

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 Posted 04/22/2012  8:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add IrisSteth to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello! I will keep this part brief, but if you want to skip to the good part just scroll to find **** because that's where the questions start.

Basically I'm a college student of 20 years, and have recently been watching a lot of shows such as Storage Wars, Pawn Stars (not my favorite) American Pickers, and so on.

Mind you, I know the vast majority of these shows aren't good examples of reality, but I like to think it prepared me for what occurred today.

You see, my 92 year old grandmother needed help cleaning her closet and moving her winter clothes to her summer clothes. I volunteered and we found an iron box with a few old papers and a small box that contained inside a ton of old coins. I jumped for joy and promptly started researching their values.

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I found three silver half dollar Barber coins, two minted in D and one with no mint mark meaning P. Their dates were 1906, 1907, and 1908 respectively.

This 1908 half dollar barber coin has a D printed on it and is in good condition, but it was different from the other two.

You see.. there are markings on the neck and in the crest of the eagle.

These markings are indentations on the coin and to my untrained eye and super large biology microscope, consistent with the other wear-and-tear the coin has been through. For example there's a scuff mark that overlaps both the normal coin and these unusual markings.

On the 'heads' side below the chin at the base of the neck but above the date there are three letters. They appear to spell out L or perhaps an I, a dollar sign ($) with two lines going through it, and a N or maybe a V.

On the crest of the eagle on the 'tails' side there is what looks to be a flipped micro (mew) sign underneath a wide V with a loop connecting the two and the number '36' resting between the V but on top of the micro sign.

I'm really not sure what this is, but google results have given me no answers so I turn to you all for assistance. I am attempting to take photos and will upload them soon.

Any idea what this means? Is it an error, or a rare mint thing? Is it a fake?

Thanks for any advice you can give me! Even if its 'this coin is a fake' or 'its worth nothing because someone tampered with it,' I just want to know the truth ^^.
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 Posted 04/22/2012  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IrisSteth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As promised here are some photos of said coin. I'm sorry for the quality, they were a rush job on a digital camera that has seen better days.


'tails' side
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'heads' side.
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 Posted 04/22/2012  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mechman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Need better pics and welcome to you Iris
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 Posted 04/22/2012  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I hope you can find the answers you seek here.

I'm mo expert but I really don't think that there is any way those are mint errors. My guess is that the coin had those marks stamped by someone who was making it into a souvenir or something.

Those marks could be from some club or fraternity. I really can't see them well in the photo but I doubt that I would recognize them. If there is any chance that they Greek letters, then maybe you could look those up and see if you can find the fraternity that fits the mark.
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 Posted 04/22/2012  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IrisSteth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mechman! Good possible solution Buddy, but does that diminish the value of the coin at all?

Here are MUCH better quality photos.


Heads side
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tails side
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I also uploaded them on tinypic.com where you can zoom in super close.

Heads: http://oi39.tinypic.com/347i39j.jpg

Tails: http://oi43.tinypic.com/35jkvh0.jpg

Hope this helps! I'm really curious :).
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04/22/2012 9:35 pm
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 Posted 04/22/2012  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counter-stamped by a previous owner... Some people collect these, but most coin collectors will consider it damaged, and basically worth Silver value only...
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 Posted 04/23/2012  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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Basically I'm a college student of 20 years, and have recently been watching a lot of shows such as Storage Wars, Pawn Stars (not my favorite) American Pickers, and so on.

So you've been a college student for 20 years? How many degrees have you accumulated after all that time?
As to your coins. Those are naturally post mint damaged. Someone in the past added those markings and symbols to commemorate someone or something. Such coins are normally put into circulation for sort of an advertising thing. And yes there are some people that collect the better done ones but not a real lot of them. And usually will not pay more that the Silver content. For a coin collector, those are usually considered damaged.
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I LOVE tinypic.

It looks like the initials on the obverse were sort of scratched in and reverse looks more like it was punched in. But I am just guessing.

If the reverse initials are SV, that could refer to Sun Valley which was established as a resort in 1936.

But the 'V' could easily be a 'U' in which case it could refer to any number of universities and the '36' could be the year of a graduating class.

Since your grandmother was born in 1920, I think she would have been a little young to have finished college in 1936. Any chance that your grandfather graduated from a university that year? Or perhaps a great-uncle or other family member?

Another thought: are those initials on the obverse a monogram? Typically the first letter of the surname would appear in the center of the monogram. Does that match with anybody in the family tree?

Is there any chance that your grandmother remembers where the coin came from? I do hope so.
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 Posted 04/24/2012  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As mentioned they are PMD, counterstamps.

However, they may be collectible.

I collect some counterstamps, just not the 20th century ones.
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 Posted 04/24/2012  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IrisSteth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all very very much!

It's good to know what the markings are, even if they raise more questions then they answered, but now I have something to ask my grandmother about.

She doesn't hear well on the phone, so it'll be a bit before I see her again in person, but I will keep you updated ^^.

Also, yes, I was completely a college student for 20 years all that partying kills your GPA :P

All kidding aside, I'm actually a sophomore hoping to get accepted into the screened speech pathology and audiology program (SPPA for short).

I'm a general nerd, and avoid the college party scene because I'm to busy working towards having an epic life.

Plus I plan on being a crazy elderly woman who lives down the road. All children need a crazy old lady who lives down the street to tell stories about when they are grown. Tis a dying breed, those old crazy ladies... :)
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