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...selling any Carr Peace dollars. They are now officially doctored coins... Quote:
1) Movement, addition to, or otherwise altering of metal, so that a coin appears to be in a better state of preservation, or more valuable than it otherwise would be. A few examples are plugging, whizzing, polishing, engraving, ‘lasering' and adding or removing mint marks.
2) Addition of any substance to a coin so that it appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be. The use of solvents and/or commercially available dilute acids, such as Jeweluster, by qualified professionals is not considered coin doctoring.
3) Intentional exposure of a coin to any chemicals, substances, or processes which impart toning, such that the coin appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be. Naturally occurring toning imparted during long-term storage using established/traditional methods, such as coin albums, rolls, flips, or envelopes, does not constitute coin doctoring."
He takes low value Peace dollars and alters the metal to make them more valuable. |
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Then there go Hobo Nickels too. :-P
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Wouldn't Hobo Nickels be considered something else because they are transformed to another type of product where doctored means changed or altering to deceive based on the original design?
BTW, SteveCaruso and scubu and neck and neck in the posting race! :P
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It's more of a philosophical question, the more I think about it. I believe that under the PNG rules one could very well sell a Carr piece, provided it's disclosed as a Carr piece (which you have to do anyways :-) ). If a PNG member buffed a corroded Carr piece in an attempt to make it look better, then that would be a violation.
As to our post count, LOL I didn't even notice. :-) (One more post for me! ;-))
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So the paint's still wet on the newly adopted definition and we're bending it already. Pathetic.  |
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It's tradition!
(Traaadition! Tradition! *dee deedle deedle deedle dee* Tradition! :-) )
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The words "altering of metal, so that a coin appears to be in a better state of preservation, or more valuable than it otherwise would be," would seem to clear Hobo buffs and old love tokens.
As far as the Carr stuff goes, it all is a bit on the dark side. sure, the people he sells to know what they're getting - but do the people they sell to know where the coin came from?
I did like his fantasy NY quarter.
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So a hobo nickel is not a coin?
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Wowser, I gotta get me one of those 64's !
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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scubu, what exactly did Carr do to you to deserve all these attacks from you? You are the one here stretching rules. NOTHING in those rules says ANYTHING about a fantasy coin like the ones Carr makes. These coins are not real. They are a striking of somthing that never happened. This is NOT an attempt to alter a coin to make it look like a more valuable REAL coin. Thats the rule you highlighted.
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Thats the rule you highlighted. No the rule I highlighted reads significantly different. So we can change the wording of the rule to suit our own agendas when needed. I understand. Carr dollars and hobo nickels are not coins. I understand. Edited by scubu
04/25/2012 7:18 pm
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No, no it doesn't. It says quite clearly altering a coin to appear to be in a better state of preservation, or more valuable than it otherwise would be. It then goes to give examples such as whizzing removing mint marks polishing etc. To anyone not trying to come up with a reason to attack these pieces (I am presuming your link for reporting ebay auctions in your signature is part of this thinking as well) the rule is clearly meant to cover things like adding a D to a 32 Washington quarter or the like. NOT in any way for something like a Hobo or a fantasy piece. I am not changing any words. I am simply reading and comprehending simple English. It is YOU who obviously has an agenda. |
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I don't give a crap what the rule is meant for. The way it reads perfectly includes Carr dollars as doctored coins. No ifs, ands, or buts. He changes the metal, they're still coins, and they are worth more. Doctored coin.
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OK, no use in arguing with that stellar logic.
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Posted 04/25/2012 2:11 pm
