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04/25/2012 7:51 pm
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So, what is wrong with this listing? ANACS called the piece a token (not a coin) and described it accurately as far as I can tell. The strike, luster, and surface quality does not seem like a mismatch for an MS-69 grade. Do you think ANACS just should not have agreed to slab this piece, given its non-coin or fantasy status?
I kind of like these pieces and would like to own one. I just don't want to pay quite so much for less than one ounce of exonumia silver.
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Should never be put in a holder. What's next? This one? If we certify the copies, we must certify the copies of the copies right? Edited by scubu
04/25/2012 4:42 pm
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Personally, I find it a little odd that a private mint gets a slab and a grade--they are neither mint products, nor were used in commerce as tokens. Does Franklin mint stuff get slabbed? The copy of a copy is just funny.  |
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I own one of these MS68+ die pair 5 whatchamacallits from Carr and am glad I bought it at $165.00 shipped before he sold out. I know it is a fantasy coin but I bought it for fun and with some speculation that it would appreciate in value as a collectible like most of his patterns and such do. I think what the seller means is that the original 1964 D Peace dollar "almost was" a US legal tender dollar but it is said that ALL 316,076 were melted. Theoretically since ALL were melted - none exist, and if any genuine 1964 D coins ever do surface at this time they are considered illegal to own in the US. ANACS is not the only company to grade Carr coins.  Some people have a problem with the Carr minted rounds, some do not. I do not and wish I had a few others that he made that could have been but never were. The fantasy 1975 IKE and the 1964 D Franklin half he made got past me when prices were lower. If ANACS decides to grade these items at least they label them for what they are. Hey how about this one, A copy of a Carr 1964 D Peace dollar!  [eBayItem]160789333249[/eBayItem] Since this will sometime disappear I show the images which I found on Google. The description on ebay reads ... This is a Copy - 1964 D FANTASTY Peace dollar - This is a Copy of Daniel Carr Peace dollarIT HAS COPY INPRINTED ON REVERSE  |
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Didn't they melt all the real 64's ?
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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I don't think ANACS was "dumped" as much as pushed aside by lobbying from two other TPGs. I talked with an ANACS rep at a show last Sunday, and it sounds like ebay will keep coins from the oldest TPG on their site. Quote:
What does he mean almost was, ANACS doesn't say "almost was," but since they were never released they "never were." regarding the NGC slab above - it seems like the ANACS label is accurate, while the NGC is less than. JMO. Edited by ArrowsAndRays
04/25/2012 5:44 pm
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ANACS actually certifies and grades all of Carr's pieces (overstrikes, fantasy dates, Ameros, tokens, medals, etc. etc.) and is rather conspicuous with how they are labeled.
Since there *are* counterfeits of his work out there, it kinda makes sense to have some means of authentication if you're after a genuine Carr piece. :-)
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04/25/2012 5:44 pm
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$50 Kellogg Gold re-strikes were slabbed by PCGS a few years ago. This is no different.
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I love seeing these Carr threads pop up every now and then. It's been awhile since I have seen one. Maybe some heated discussion coming soon.  |
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Scubu, and yet again blind prejudice against anything but PCGS or NGC gets shot down. So, are you going to say NGC should be dumped now? If not, you need to withdraw your statement.
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No I will not withdraw my statement. Anyone that knows me, knows I'm prejudiced against the Carr dollars. Not Anacs.
If the Chinese did exactly what Carr did everyone would SCREAM BLOODY MURDER instead of saying how adorable they are.
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No, no I would not. Carr makes fantasy pieces that NEVER EXISTED. He is NOT making copies of 1893S Morgans, or any other valuable REAL coin. THAT is what the Chinese are doing. You are soooooooooo stretching and comparing apples to elephants. It cant even qualify as apples to oranges you are stretching so far. As VACookey just said, you are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to compare the two. And if you are so against Carr, then you need to say ebay should dump NGC as well. If you are going stretch, then stretch for all. Edited by smokeriderdon
04/25/2012 7:34 pm
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So the Chinese can make these and these all day long and put them in the US market you're perfectly fine with it? 95% of these Chinese fantasies enter the market with complete transparency just like Carr dollars. Whether it's in baskets on the street in China or by the dozen or gross on Alibaba. Edited by scubu
04/25/2012 7:55 pm
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Thread title: Quote:No wonder ebay dumped ANACS Quote:
I'm prejudiced against the Carr dollars. Not Anacs. OK, but you see where everyone responding thought you were calling out ANACS, right? |
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