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Hi everyone, Many of you have seen my 1922 No D Lincoln. It's graded as FS 401 Die 2 and XF40 by ANACS. The quick story is that I got it from my dad's pocket change in 1955 and threw it into a Maxwell House coffee can. It traveled with me for over fifty years until I finally had some time to look at the coins (knee surgery). ANACS says it is Die 2 FS 401 and graded at XF 40. Honestly I am not interested in Lincolns because early 1800's half dollars and large cents are my area of interest. So, I put it up for sale on ebay. A potential bidder is challenging the ANACS variety and grading saying that it is really a Die 3 Weak reverse. The critic sounds credible but of course it's ebay. When I posted the coin to this forum a while ago no one challenged the ANACS decision so I'm asking for everyone to take a closer look. As usual I appreciate your expert opinions.     Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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I don't believe it is a die 3. The "o" in one is not spread out, BUT the reverse is weak. I can not tell from the pics what die it is. Here is a reference you can compare it with to check on it: http://www.lincolncentresource.com/...rieties.htmlGood luck! |
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I have a Die 2 No "D" and your coin is definitely not the same. The "Strong Reverse" is just that. Mine is a VF and not and XF with the wheat ends being very distinct and the stalk is sharp and thin. The obverse on these coins came from very worn dies and I can believe that yours is an "XF" based on that, albeit not the Die 2 variety.
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It does appear to me to be a Die 3 coin. The spread of the left side of the O in ONE and the indistinct wheat ends (which one would expect to be pretty well defined on an XF40 coin) indicate that to me.   Edited by Moe145
04/26/2012 3:53 pm
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I'd have to say it is a weak reverse. Die 2 is supposed to be strong reverse. Hoever, if you selling it on ebay, I suppose someone will buy it based on the slabbed statement that it is authentic. So many fakes are out there that any real ones are worth buying. And as noted on that Lincoln Web site, many TPGS's don't distinquish between the different dies anyway. |
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I don't know if it is die 3, but it is not die 2. So yes I would say that yes ANACS got it wrong.
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With that grade, with a die 2, you would expect an equally strong reverse as
you have on the obverse. Hard to believe ANACS would make such a glaring (expensive) mistake.
Kind of crazy really.
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I agree, die 3 or 1. It is definitely not a die 2. What a bummer, I don't know if ANACS can compensate for their mistake. Apparently you sent it in yourself, right? So there's no way it can be a fake or cracked out slab....
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Definitely not die pair 2. The wheat ears would show much more details in this grade. I am leaning towards die pair 3 on this one.
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Apparently you sent it in yourself, right? So there's no way it can be a fake or cracked out slab.... First, thank you everyone for the feedback so far. Yes, I sent it to ANACS myself so the holder has not been tampered with. It really makes me angry that I paid extra fees for them to research and identify the variety. AND now is the time to start reading the ANACS warranty very carefully. It starts out really good as they will buy the coin or pay the difference between the actual grade and the incorrect grade. Oh but, "This Guarantee applies only to ANACS-certified platinum, gold and silver coins and excludes bronze, copper and copper-nickel coins".  Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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Well, the variety is at issue, not the grade. No harm in calling them up and explaining the situation.
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Oh but, "This Guarantee applies only to ANACS-certified platinum, gold and silver coins and excludes bronze, copper and copper-nickel coins". That only applies to the grading which is not in question. The problem is the ANACS does NOT guarantee attributions. Quote:
ANACS' expertise is unmatched by any other grading service in regards varieties and attributions. However, attribution specialists and experts may sometimes disagree concerning any given variety or attributions. Also, some varieties are de-listed each year and others have their variety numbers and / or descriptions changed or modified. As a result, ANACS cannot guarantee any attribution or variety designation listed on an ANACS holder. They do have something you can do if you think they blew the attribution... They say you can send it back in, pay the attribution fee again, and they will give it another try. Quote:
If an ANACS customer has an ANACS-encapsulated coin that has had its variety or attribution listing changed or modified, the customer may, for a nominal fee, return the coin to ANACS so it can be updated. You paid us to attribute it and we goofed, so pay us again and we'll give it another try. |
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Just a quick update on this. I'll contact ANACS this week and let you know their response.
A friend who thinks it is a Die 2 suggested that maybe my cent was late die state and one of the last produced.
Does anyone know where I can find the # of coins produced after the reverse die broke and they replaced it with the stronger reverse? I thought it would be a small number and not enough to cause noticeable wear on the reverse but?
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When the Die coins were made the obverse was already severely worn and the rev was new and sharp. For as weak as that rev is the obverse is much too strong. Unc Die 2's don't show THAT much detail on the obv.
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