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sammit New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 04/30/2012 6:21 pm I have come across this coin and after researching it I have found out that there is only 1 original of these coins in the world at it is at the Smithsonian but after looking at the replicas I have yet to find one that looks even close to mine and I cannot find a picture of the original to compare it to. I come to the conclusion that it is probably not real but I have tried to 'debunk' it with what other people have said about replicas like looking under the M on the back for raised marks where COPY would have been... not there, looking around the edges for chipping copper... none. It is a very harshly made coin with uneven edges and such which makes me think that it was in fact made a very long time ago. I would really like some input and I greatly appreciate it. Thank you (: Report this Post to the Staff

sammit New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 05/01/2012 1:43 pm Anything at all would help. Any refferals on who to talk to? Report this Post to the Staff
biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 05/01/2012 3:03 pm Sorry, I have never seen this one before. I just looked at the website for the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian but they do not have the complete collection online yet Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188046 Posts	Posted 05/01/2012 3:10 pm Quote: I cannot find a picture of the original to compare it to. There is a photo in the Red Book. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 05/01/2012 5:24 pm Quote: There is a photo in the Red Book And the OP coin is a poor copy of it. Report this Post to the Staff
sammit New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 05/01/2012 5:40 pm I tried to look in National Numismatic Collection yesterday too and I could not find it :( Conder101 how can you tell it is poor copy? I'm just trying to find more ways to compare this coin to other copies. And does anyone recommend a place in northern Indiana to have this possibly looked at? Thanks Report this Post to the Staff
vermontensium Moderator United States 16677 Posts	Posted 05/01/2012 7:50 pm It's a reproduction, plain and simple. http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...terns.1.html Welcome sammit :) swcoin.ecrater.com Report this Post to the Staff
SteveCaruso Pillar of the Community United States 1796 Posts	Posted 05/01/2012 9:36 pm Aye that looks like a sand/clay cast copy. A master cast was probably made by carving a relief into a piece of clay before metal or plastic was poured over it (hence why the text looks like it was made with a toothpick :-) ). Then that master cast (when cool and cleaned up) was stamped into a sand or clay casting medium before the final metal was poured into it. To a counterfeit collector it may be worth $3-5. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 05/03/2012 12:16 pm Quote: Conder101 how can you tell it is poor copy? Compare your coin to the picture in the RedBook. The RedBook picture is of the unique genuine piece. The fonts of the letters on your coin do not match those on the coin in the picture. The coin in the picture shows with serif lettering while your coin has simple "stick figure" san-serif lettering. The tree and liberty figure have a definite rounded relief while the tree on yours is flat and once again stick like. The figure of Liberty (or whoever she is) is also flat and lacking in detail. It is a little better than a line figure but not by much. it also looks like it may be a cast piece but I can't tell for sure from the images. Report this Post to the Staff
vermontensium Moderator United States 16677 Posts	Posted 05/03/2012 3:32 pm As Conder pointed out, all cast copies will have that "stick figurish" look. swcoin.ecrater.com Report this Post to the Staff
sammit New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 05/04/2012 10:03 am Thank you for the help, I appreciate it :) Report this Post to the Staff
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