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1901 Green Indian

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 Posted 05/02/2012  12:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add countryboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Why does this Indian Head cent have a toned greenish tint.

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 Posted 05/02/2012  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would assume it was exposed to moisture for an extended time. Just like a copper statue in the park, they turn green.
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yup.
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 Posted 05/02/2012  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vanbroj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let it soak in olive oil for awhile, it will do wonders...
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 Posted 05/02/2012  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Verdi-Care would do wonders for that coin!
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 Posted 05/02/2012  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or it was minted with Green Copper.
Or it was painted by a real Indian to get even with us for using his face on that coin.
Or was stored in an area that used to use Sulfur Rich Coal in their furnaces. Burning Sulfur creates Sulfur Oxides and mixed with the moisture in the air becomes an Acid. This reacts with the Copper to make a green stuff called Copper Sulfate.
Or it was breathed on by some of the same people I know that eat a lot of Garlic and Onions.
Regardless of the reason, spending money to do anything about that would end up costing more than the coin is worth.
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 Posted 05/03/2012  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloBonehead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an otherwise nice, but ruined 1894 with quite a bit of verdigris on it. Eventually it will go through a round of olive oil treatments because the verdi-care just isn't doing it.
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I have a greenie too...

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A little bit of Blue Ribbon oil will brobably stop it from getting worse and make it look better, but for the condition and date Just Carl is right...its just not worth it. Enjoy it for what its worth and don't buy wooden nickels unless you collect wooden nickels.
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Verdi-Care job.

Actually, copper sulfate is blue, and is highly water soluble, and would not stay on the coin. The green stuff would be verdigris, which can be extemely difficult to remove from a coin.

If it is only a subtle green shading as here, Verdi-Care can do it.

BadThad may be able to give us more of a clue.

I have seen a Roman Sestertius of Nero, with a very attractive green patina, which can actually enhance the appearance, and hence, the value.
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 Posted 05/03/2012  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add countryboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What if I decide to clean this coin and find it not verdigris. and that it is actually toned. will cleaning remove the toning .
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What if I decide to clean this coin and find it not verdigris. and that it is actually toned. will cleaning remove the toning .

Just remember that regardless of what you try using to so called clean any coin, there is always a cost of the products you try using. If such costs exceed the value of the coin, it is sort of a waste of money and time. Use that same money to buy a better conditioned coin.

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Actually, copper sulfate is blue, and is highly water soluble, and would not stay on the coin. The green stuff would be verdigris, which can be extemely difficult to remove from a coin.

If you look carefully you would notice that the coin does have a sort of Bluish tone. Copper Sulfate, formed from atmospheric conditions where other contaminates are present, has numerous different toning effects.
Although true it is water soluable, once it becomes part of the metal of a coin, it does NOT just fall off.
Regardless of what it is on that coin, unless you use something around the house, any expendature would end up costing more than the coin is worth.
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 Posted 05/03/2012  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add countryboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your comments . very helpful
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I would leave it be--you can't remove that much verdigris without damaging it.
It's a "Fine details" coin and worth a few dollars in this condition.
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like the statue of liberty, copper turns green eventually. but it's a cool looking coin.
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