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Lincoln Silver Dollar Commemrative Purchase Question.

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Hello all!

Have a question for you pros!

I want to purchase a Lincoln Silver Comm. I would of course want a PF70.

Now, I see on ebay, they are going for 150-the sky for PF70, while people are selling non slabbed ones in Mint Proof sets or mint packaging for literally half the price.

Is it worth the gamble of getting a mint set and sending it off for grading, (I am sending other things off too), what is the chance of it grading 70? The ungraded + TPG fees would still cost less than what people are selling it for.

I appreciate your feedback!
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IMO, for that price, I would get the Lincoln Coin and Chronicles set. Slabbed bullion is not really my thing but if you wanna send em in for grading go for it.
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I think I'm confused here. I just realized that there is a 2009 silver dollar proof and a 2009 silver dollar for "circulation". So that would be a PF70 and a MS70. The likelyhood of me sending in a purchased 2009 silver dollar in and having it grade MS70 is slim to none I think. Better chance with the proof.

I am not a commemorative collector at all, but I love cents, and one day hope to have the most inclusive Lincoln set I could possibly build.

I already have the 2009-S Proofs. I'm confused here now lol
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If you are dead set on slabbing your coins, that's fine. In my opinion, modern commemoratives in their original packaging are a much better way to go.

First off, they are already encapsulated and protected in this packaging. Slabbed coins have passed through more hands than in an original package.

Also, any commem you get from the mint or anywhere else in its original package should appear nearly flawless or I would want my money back.

Just my opinion.... Slabbing modern commems is a waste of money.

You are correct, they come in proof and unc. It's a matter of personal preference. Unc typically have lower mintages.
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Hondo, good advice. Thank you! Last night I ordered the coin and chronicles for what I think was a fair price 125- I am looking for the uncirculated piece now. They seem to be so expensive!
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I think that's a great choice. The unc will be more expensive that the proof, but you will find one.
Congrats on a cool purchase!
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Thanks! I can't believe I literally had no idea this was ever produced! I must have slept through that year lol
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Not worth the gamble of getting a mint set or Proof and sending it off for grading, small chance of it grading 70.
What's why the 70 grades cost much more $$$...the 69 grade sometimes sell for less than raw coin.
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If you just want a 70 just buy it that way. Sending it in will cost about 40 bucks or more anyway for 1 coin and the overwhelming likelyhood is (especially for pcgs) theyll give it a 69 at best penalizing you for not being a massive supplier to them and not using one of their real expensive grading services.
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IMO, for that price, I would get the Lincoln Coin and Chronicles set.
I agree.

I am not interested in the grade. Honestly, I have a difficult time seeing the difference between a 69 and (what most TPGs call) a 70, but that is just me.
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I have a Lincoln Coin and Chronicles set for sale here on CCF
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...ctionID=4851

The mint did extra handling of coins to make up these very nice Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Proof sets,
so there is even a smaller chance of any coins grading 70 directly from Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Proof sets.
these sets are more for show & keep-sake then in pulling apart the set to grade for 70s.
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Thanks Penny, I actually had purchased one later that night. Still looking for a 2009 Uncirculated (not proof) Lincoln Silver Dollar in Mint Packaging though.

Thanks all!
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I am not interested in the grade. Honestly, I have a difficult time seeing the difference between a 69 and (what most TPGs call) a 70, but that is just me.


Its a very simple difference. A 70 is submitted by a dealer or high value customer (maybe even one of the very expensive fast turn around times) while a 69 is that exact same coin submitted by an individual to the TPG that they arent worried about return business from
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Glad to hear you got one of them. I also prefer to have the original Mint packaging and not slab them. I personally don't think they are worth the price to buy a 70 graded slab.
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Its a very simple difference. A 70 is submitted by a dealer or high value customer (maybe even one of the very expensive fast turn around times) while a 69 is that exact same coin submitted by an individual to the TPG that they arent worried about return business from

They call me a cynic.

I'll agree that it's a big boy's game, but for another reason.

You want to play the 70 game, so you pick out the ten best coins out of a couple ASE rolls. Truth to tell, half the submitted coins are 69/70, so you get back five of each. Costing you $300 at $30 per coin.

APMEX Cherry picks a monster box, and sends in 100 on the bulk rate deal of $3 a coin. They've also looked at a few more coins than you, so they're likely to get 70% right.

End result:

You have five 70 and five 69, APMEX has seventy 70 and thirty 69, for the same certification cost. To start with, they have 14x as many 70 to sell.

Other "slight" advantages they have:

  • They bought wholesale, you didn't.
  • They're selling retail, you prolly are not
  • Your 69s are worth bullion, they have enough to promote through the TV coin sellers or themselves
  • They prolly have contract shipping and insurance deals you don't
  • They still have outlets (like you) for the stuff they picked over
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