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Grading Weight Of OBV Vs Rev

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When grading a coin, how much weight doe you place on the Obverse VS the Reverse? I personally place about 60% - 70% of the weight on the Obv. If the Rev. has a moderate difference from the Obv. I generally change the grade +/-1 from the Obv. grade. Significant change I usually change it +/-2 Grades.

How do you grade in comparison?
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As I do not know how long you have been collecting, let me take you back or remind you of the days before third party grading.
It was quite common to use "split grading," the assignment of a separate grade for the obverse and the reverse. Long-time
collectors what I am talking about.
Enter TPG, and the "perceived" need to assign a single grade became common.
My sister, a non-collector, asked me just last night:
"Which side is more important?"
The simple answer is "the obverse."
The more complex answer involves both the design of the coin and documented examples of different coin dies being used.
My area is the coins of the Barber design which are notorious for the reverse wearing quicker than the obverse.
But you might take the Lincoln Cent:
the 1909-S VDB and the 1922-D.
Again, the obverse looks great and the reverse up to two grades lower.
So, what to do?
If the obverse is an absolute, no question grade of "X,"
but the reverse shows "typical" weakness, then I grade the coin "X" with typical reverse weakness.
Others will have different opinions from mine.
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I have been collecting since about 1989. I started self grading since 1992. I don't ever recall anyone split grading their coins, but have often wondered if it might have been a good idea to do it that way.

In the references I have read the emphasis has always been placed on the obverse of the coin with the reverse influencing the final grade. What the authors never said was how much the reverse should influence the grade. I know there is not one definitive answer, but what I would like is to get a general consensus as to how others grade their coins.
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It depends on the series. The way I think about it, is that I grade one side, then decide if the other is reasonably consistent with that grade, and if not, is it enough to bump it one way or the other.

Mercury dimes are my main interest, and they're easier to grade from the reverse based on the condition of the sticks in the fasces. The reverse is also more telling when determining strike quality on MS coins and for authenticating a 1916-D.

Indian cents, on the other hand, are easier to grade from the obverse first, e.g. can I see any letters in LIBERTY, how many can I see, how clear are they, is the ribbon separate from the hair, how many diamonds are visible, etc.
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JD, this dealer who I go to occasionally, Mr. Miller of Millers Mint, has been in the Coin World forever. His employees speak of him like The Tin Man and Dorothy reference the Wizard of Oz... So you expect this coin wizard to appear out of thin air at any second. I digress, point is.. when I buy coins that have been graded by Harry Miller, every coin is meticulously graded on Obverse and Reverse, and then an overall grade. So all my LWC from him have grades written for all.. Its pretty cool
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 Posted 05/10/2012  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbooth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps I have come across wrong. I only wanted to let you all know how I graded coins and wanted to know how others in the community graded in comparison. If I offended anyone with my original posting it was not my intention to do so.
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I have always split graded coins if there is a difference in side vs. side.
By general convention the obverse is the first nominated side.

My first love is ancients. Split grading is often necessary, and the grading is only one factor which contributes to the value. In such cases, the value is arrived at by an overall assessment to which grading is a major contributor.

Grading is a more dominant factor in determining the value of a modern coin. for me, it does not matter if the obverse or the reverse condition is the most important. Coins are bit like people, inasmuch that the whole is assessed, not just their appearance.
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I am OFFENDED JD... lol I'm kidding! I think you're method sounds good.. for me, I think its different when I am looking at an actual coin for sale, vs. lets say coin roll hunting. For some reason, I don't know why but I ALWAYS focus and fixate on the wheat ears of a LWC before anything else... maybe habit?
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