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I ran across this bit of information in a posting about counterfeit GSA Morgan dollar COA's.
"The most common cards discovered as popular counterfeits are 1879-CC, 1890-CC and 1891-CC. The unique serial number on these COA cards are easy to detect the genuine from the counterfeit. The first two digits represent the year. The third and fourth digits are always ZERO's. The last four digits are random digits."
The following COA was displayed and sold with a supposed 1882 CC uncirculated Morgan silver dollar. Am I to assume that the coin is also counterfeit?
If so, now that I have made payment, how do I stop this transaction and report the seller?
Here is a link to the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/18088447953....m1439.l2648
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I don't see any real reason to doubt the coin itself. Obviously someone substituted an 1883 COA, not knowing how it worked, but the coin seems well-bought at the price. The images aren't of grading quality so I can't render an opinion, but if you can see it making MS63 you're in the catbird seat.  Just don't resell with that COA. |
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Thanks Dave, my concern is that the COA is not just the wrong one, according to the information, the whole COA is counterfeit... The "third & fourth" numbers should always be zero."
For that reason, I guess I am a little concerned about the coin as well. Having the wrong COA is one thing... selling a counterfeit COA is another. Am I misguided in my thinking on this? Thanks!
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I'm not so sure of the accuracy of that information. Just randomly surveyed a bunch of them on ebay, and not a single pictured COA had zeros for the third and fourth digits. In fact, only one had a zero in either position. I'm thinking that info applies only to the three specific years discussed. |
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That makes sense... OK, thanks Dave. When I get the coin I will post images for everyone to give their opinions.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not sure about the COA (as it is common for COAs to shuffle around, given they're often found sold separately on auction sites), but when the coin arrives (as you'll have to wait anyways to open up a dispute) post pics here and we can take a shot at authenticity. If it's bogus, then contact the seller.
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Bedrock of the Community
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This is where the stamp collectors among us can come in on the COA.
If you proceed with the purchase,
have a look at the printing on the COA with a powerful loupe, and see if you can find any indications that the COA has been photostated (color or otherwise), and see if there is consistency in the lettering across the document.
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I am REALLY looking forward to getting this coin!  I spoke with the seller on the phone regarding the COA issue (very nice older gentleman) and as he was telling me about his Morgan collection. His words describing this coin were "this 1882-CC looks better than many of my MS65/MS66 TPG certified Morgans." He said the coin is immaculate... I will post pics as soon as I get it in my 'white gloved' hands. Hopefully, I will then be sending it off for TPG certification if everyone agrees. 
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OK, I was able to get these images from the listing. The images themselves are scans of the the entire GSA coin holder. I realize you can't tell much with these pictures, but I will post better ones as soon as I get the coin.
 
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It's obvious that the COA does not belong with the coin. But I'm with SuperDave, a lot of the COAs I have seen do not have 2 zeros in the 3rd and 4th position. I believe the COA is genuine, just not originally assigned to that coin. That Morgan looks REALLY nice! WoW!!Now of course,  LOTS of them!!  Edited by Moe145
05/22/2012 05:27 am
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 There are many COA's that were tossed out or seperated from the coins. I worked at a shop where we tossed hundreds of them along with the boxes in the trash, too bad, now that I see what they are worth today. I have several GSA and none have boxes or COA's. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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westcoin: I have several GSA and none have boxes or COA's.
Would you like the COA posted above? I guess it would be for an 1883-CC. What do these COA's sell for? I'll throw in the box for free! 
Just PM me if you are interested, OK. |
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Oh well. I didn't even get a chance to send the coin off to be graded. A collector in Las Vegas offered me $400 so I couldn't turn it down... 
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I need a couple of 1878-CC COA and boxes but I'm not willing to pay the price on ebay for them, last one I saw had an asking price of $99.00 insane! Quote:
Would you like the COA posted above? I guess it would be for an 1883-CC. What do these COA's sell for? I'll throw in the box for free!
Just PM me if you are interested, OK. Thanks for the kind offer, but you really should put it up on ebay and see what you can get, I'd bet somebody would pay $20.00+ at least.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
06/02/2012 11:20 pm
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I guess you would have to be a really meticulous GSA collector to pay such a sum for the COA & box.
I am not a fan of ebay. I'll just hold on to it and surprise someone who really needs one... as a gift.
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Pillar of the Community
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"The most common cards discovered as popular counterfeits are 1879-CC, 1890-CC and 1891-CC. The unique serial number on these COA cards are easy to detect the genuine from the counterfeit. The first two digits represent the year. The third and fourth digits are always ZERO's. The last four digits are random digits."
I don't see what the issue is here. It says that COUNTERFEIT COAs have zeros and random digits.
I even double checked the COA on my 1884 and it has no zeros.
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