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Did you notice the extra 1 to the right of the 3 in the date? Is that a known variety? The color, it doesn't look right for a coin that's 209 years old. Ed ANA LM-3175 |
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Is it an S-255? No mention in any variety about the area to the right of the date.
I did see this coin while browsing and the color bothered me. Sometimes it's bad photography, but it looks like it is coated with something.
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 the coin color seems off (could be the photography...) Amazing detail and a great strike however!  The extra "1" looks like some sort of graffiti to me and not a minting error/defect... (like it was scratched into the coin?)  |
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The red background could be messing with the white balance on the camera, but I'm still suspicious of the color. I would say it's been fooled with somehow.
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I would not feel comfortable buying a coin of this value from ebay not going through a TPG |
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S-255 was my thought as well. Yeah, nice detail no doubt but messed with IMO too. Wanted a few more opinions. Thanks!
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Another agreement on S-255, and the "extra 1" does not belong on this coin so it is almost certainly graffiti. (this variety doesn't come with an extra 1 and the shape of the 1 does not match that used in this year) I also suspect the color. Whether it is from the photography or if it has been messed with I can't say. It may be some of bother. I also suspect the stains will be more prominent on the coin in hand than in the images. I still think it would be a good deal at the current price, but I'm not sure how much higher.
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While I concur with an AU grade, IMHO, I do believe that the coin's been cleaned/dipped; perhaps, so in an attempt to remove and/or minimize discoloration. That mysterious 1 to the left of the date, graffiti or not, may cause bids to skyrocket.
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That seller (squaredeal2012) has had some recent complaints about not disclosing that their coins were cleaned. Also interesting is that someone won a Peace dollar for 99 cents from them somehow (but the item wasnt shipped in the complaint) http://www.ebay.com/itm/140735699892 |
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The first tip that the coin was tampered with was the fact it was not slabbed. An original coin grading this high would have been sent in for TPG grading by any dealer that has handled it. Looks like Uncirculated details but the color says it was cleaned. Who ever paid 1925.00 for this must have really liked it. Is the S-255 that you guys have mentioned a scarcer die pair? |
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From the orange-tinted color, it looks cleaned to me. It does not have a natural partial red or red-brown or brown color. Also an uncleaned AU should have significant remaining luster in the protected areas. I do not see any evidence of this. In my experience old coppers which have been cleaned often keep an an unnatural looking tint to them even after many years of re-toning. The details are excellent; however the color would significantly reduce the joy of ownership for me. And I know my coin friends would always feel compelled to mention the unnatural color if I ever showed it to them.
However I don't agree that a coin has to be in a slab to be un-tampered with and problem free.
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Quote: An original coin grading this high would have been sent in for TPG grading by any dealer that has handled it. You haven't seen Tom Reynolds coins I'm betting. I do agree this coin has altered surfaces. That's how PCGS or NGC would see it as well I'm betting. swcoin.ecrater.com
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Is the S-255 that you guys have mentioned a scarcer die pair? It's an R-1 and third most common according to Sheldon. Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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t360: From the orange-tinted color, it looks cleaned to me. It does not have a natural partial red or red-brown or brown color. [....] In my experience old coppers which have been cleaned often keep an an unnatural looking tint to them even after many years of re-toning. I was going to say this but you beat me to it. That orange color reminds me of cleaning... saw it in my grandpa's stuff and I remember that color when I tried cleaning copper when I was very young. Edited by donkrx
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