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Indian Head 1909-S

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 Posted 06/04/2012  4:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jacke to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello:
I am from Spain and I found a seller here in Spain who wants to sell me his 1909-s indian head coin. At first it was ok, but when I saw the picture with the silver/steel color, it was like a sign of no.

I have been looking for answers in internet but I did not find anything.
I would like to know your opinion: it is a real 1909-s coin?

I am sure that copper does not changes into white,
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 Posted 06/04/2012  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures would help with our assessment. The 1909-S IHC is a widely counterfeited coin and I would not buy one without being certified by ANACS/NGC/PCGS. No, silver color is not a good indicator for ANY U.S. Small Cent (except the 1943 Steel Cent).

Be very careful especially outside the U.S.
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06/04/2012 4:12 pm
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Sorry, I forget the picture


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 Posted 06/04/2012  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That may be a top coat of some sort (paint?).

The detail of the wreath indicates a higher condition (XF-AU) than I was anticipating. Looks like it is in a DANSCO album

What is the asking price?
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06/04/2012 4:15 pm
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I don´t know. In any case, I will follow your advice and look for something certified.
Thank you very much.
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All 1909-S always show a slight weakness in the first feather tip so a picture of the obverse would help. A common counterfeit is a 1909 minted in Philadelphia and the S is then added. Most of them have a sharper strike in the first feather.
And as oiho82w8 stated stay away from this coin, and buy only certified for this key date.
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Hello:
The price is 800€ (about 700$). It comes with a 1908 IHC, that I would say it is almost perfect.
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 Posted 06/04/2012  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jacke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello:
Here is the picture of the indian head

Indian-Head-1909-S
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 Posted 06/04/2012  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see anything that screams 'this is a counterfeit', but I would still stay away from it.
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I would probably stay away from this coin.
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Weird!
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I would steer clear of this coin. It would be interesting to see if it sticks to a magnet.
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I agree with the general sentiment. I would definitely stay away. For the price of €800 or about $1000 at today's exchange rates, you could get a coin that is genuine in a grade that is as good as or better than the example presented.
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The grey stuff might be solder.

There looks like there is a small amont on the obv. at about 5 o'clock.
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i say it is real but it clearly wouldn't make it in a problem-free slab. The damage makes it worth half of book value for the grade.
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As already said, stay away from rare or expensive coins that are not authenticated. Certain coins are none to be counterfeited and this is one of them. Might be OK but for that much money, I'd pass.
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