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A Crook Who Tried To Accuse Me Of Being A Crook.

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Today I went to a pawn shop called to look at some silver coins. I rarely go to this shop because there is very limited parking, and the owner prices his coins too high. But I had some time to kill before work, so I decided to go in. He pulled out a tray of an assortment of silver coins. There was a 1972 Eisenhower 40% silver coin, some Walking Liberty halves, two 1964 Kennedy's, a few silver dimes, Washington quarters, and some Morgan & Peace dollars. As I was looking through, I clearly saw some counterfeits of both Morgan & Peace dollars. I asked if he had a magnet so I could test these out. He agreed and told me to take a speaker off the shelf. As I was doing that, I must have not realized that I had some coins in my left hand that were mine and NOT his (I included a picture below), and he snapped at me and confronted me like a shoplifter. He asked what I put in my pocket, and I showed him MY coins, and he asked for me to show what was in my other pocket, so I did and there was nothing. He proceeds to try to lecture me about how he trusted me, and I made it look like I was shoplifting. Now I suppose he was justified in his assumption, but for this man to talk about trust soon proved that he is nothing but a hypocrite, because once I grabbed a speaker off the shelf and did the magnet test, not surprisingly, several of the coins stuck to it; there were a few genuine coins, but at least half were fake. I told him that these stick to a magnet while others didn't, and he said something about metals stick to a magnet. I asked him how much the "fakes" are, without calling them that, and he said $40 a piece. This jerk is pricing his fake coins the same as his genuines, and the funny thing is the fake coins look completely fake, even for a counterfeit. I think even blind people would be able to tell that those coins were counterfeits. If he priced the counterfeits dollars at $1 a piece, I might have actually bought them, just to help educate myself on what counterfeit dollars look and feel like.

If you go to this link and scroll down, he is the guy on the left. http://pages.areaguides.com/WheatonTradeCenter/

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The coins you see in this picture are the exact ones I had in my left pocket. Now before you start saying, "Well you had two 40% silver Kennedy half dollars on you, so I can see why he got mad", listen up: This guy's knowledge on coins is limited, at best. For example, I said that the 1972 (40%) Eisenhower is not pure silver, and he said "Yeah it's not pure silver", but yet he didn't tell me it was 40% silver. If I had asked what kind of coin that was, he would not have told me that it's only 40% silver. He would have just said, "It's silver" because to him, silver is silver. When I came into his store in the past, he priced a 1967 Kennedy half at $20, which was the same price as his 1964 Kennedy's. Now ask yourself, would someone that has more than just basic knowledge about coins price a 90% and 40% silver coin the same thing?

And if a very intelligent coin collector is to walk into his shop, he or she would just laugh their way out of his store as his dimes were priced $8 a piece, quarters at $10 a piece, half dollars at $20 a piece and dollar coins at $40 a piece.

Why is this guy a crook? He is a crook because while I pointed out that some of these coins are fakes, he acted like he knew that, but mixed them in with genuine coins. The question is, does this guy tell that to his customers? I have my doubts. I bet some n00b who looks at those coins will be told by him that they are all genuine.

Oh yeah, and if anybody remembers my topic about how I bought a fake "silver" coin for $10, let me say this is not the same pawn shop. That one is in Dale City, VA, and this one is in Wheaton, MD.

Okay I am done ranting for tonight, but I have one last question: At my pizza shop, there is a police officer who comes in occasionally for pick up. I am wondering if I should let him know about this guy who is selling counterfeit coins?
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06/06/2012 12:43 am
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First the guy obviously doesn't care if they are fake or real and just wants to make a buck.

That said the fact that he knows nothing about coins makes it more likely he would think you took them from him instead of being your own coins as he doesn't really know what he has just that he has coins for sale. His trust speech is cheesy and overblown as we all know he doesn't trust you, but I can see how he could think that happened
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This jerk is pricing his fake coins the same as his genuines, and the funny this is the fake coins look completely fake, even for a counterfeit.


Haw! :-) The max one should pay for a modern magnetic counterfeit (unless it's a particularly rare variety) is $5 retail. Period. End of report. :-)

His mixing fakes in with genuine pieces at the tune of $40/each sounds like he's trying to recoup a known loss without any scruples. If he was actually trying to pass them as genuine, I'd report him to the Secret Service and have them sort him out.
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Fine, he's a hypocrite, and I edited the post. Are you guys happy, or should I use a better euphemism?
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If I were you, I would report the shop to the Secret Service as a locale where fake U.S. currency is being sold. What's it gonna hurt if you do that? The best that could happen is they confiscate his fake coins, which is a win for anyone who walks into that store.
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 Posted 06/06/2012  05:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tell the police and out the owner
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Yeah I would report it, please do. But they probably can't do anything if it cant be proven that he knowingly sells fake currency. Let us know if you do anything though.

Dont avoid pawn shops altogether, just avoid THIS ONE.
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Report the owner of the shop is selling fakes to the police.
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I agree, I HATE counterfeits with a passion, report it. This kind of jerk is almost guaranteed to try and pass them off as genuine, and while they may not fool any of us for a second, I can't stand the thought of a new collector being burnt badly & walking away with a seriously negative view of numismatics as a whole...
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I have removed all references to the offensive phrase used earlier. Name calling and/or religious or racial slurs will not be permitted here on CCF.
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yeah report him and don't go there anymore, sounds like a bad egg
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 Posted 06/06/2012  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You stated This guy didnt know anything about coins,so,Turning him in wont do any good...All he has to do is say he thought they were real and that he wasnt intentionally selling fakes and that will be that..Just stay out of there in the future let the buyer beware!
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Yeah, but if you report now and go there later and they are still there, then he could get busted.
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I know how you feel. I once went to a coin show and had a dealer place some coins before me. I inspected them, returned them with a thanks and walked away. He then came after me like a shoplifter because his 'count was off'. Funny...he did not count them in front of me, nor could he prove I took anything (I even emptied my pockets as my own proof). Some people are simply lazy with their business, and blame others when things go wrong.
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Toss this guy like a cheap suit...idiot.
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