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Why Was Any Silver Kept In The Half Dollar?

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I get that it's bigger but the mint could have moved to 40 percent purity for all coins for a few years, but they didn't. 40% silver Half dollars were minted for circulation from 1965 to 1969, but never did circulate, why half dollars? I get that it's bigger but that also means twice the silver either way of a quarter.
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 Posted 06/07/2012  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Missy_2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It actually went from 65 to 70, and there were some Ike dollars that were 40% silver also.
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 Posted 06/07/2012  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MercuryDime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Missy_2012

The 1970 Kennedy's were NIFC.

Same with all silver Ike's.
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It was a huge gaffe on the part of the Treasury. They felt that they could lower the quality of the silver (in other countries, when coin silver is debased to the point where silver comprises less than 50% of the total metal in the alloy it is called billion- but for some reasons of propaganda, I suppose, we call it silver-clad).

By debasing the other denominations and keeping some silver in half dollars, they effectively ended its tenure as a usable denomination. by 1971 most Americans hadn't seen a half dollar in circulation for seven years.
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"(in other countries, when coin silver is debased to the point where silver comprises less than 50% of the total metal in the alloy it is called billion- but for some reasons of propaganda, I suppose, we call it silver-clad)"

It's called silver-clad because that's what it is. It isn't solid 40% silver; it's two outer layers of mostly silver sandwiching a core of mostly copper.
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The silver content and the fact that President Kennedy was memorialized on the Half Dollar combined to lead to the demise of the coin. For both of these reasons no one spent the coin and people started getting used to the quarter as the mainstay coin.

By the time the silver was removed the half dollar was no longer part of the daily life of the populace. This also partly led to the poor record of dollar coins including the Ike, SBA, Sac and Presidential series.

While the dollar coin had already been pretty much removed from circulation already, the nation may well have accepted it in the late 60's and early 70's had the half dollar still been around, but by then paper bills had taken over and there was no going back.

The US is unique in that the main coins in use stayed as the smaller denominations while most other nations put into play larger denomination coins and removed small denomination bills from every day use as inflation ate away at the value of currency and coins. The "commemorativitation" of the half dollar with it's silver content and Kennedy image played a big part in this.
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The answer to the OP question is politics. The mint knew that keeping silver in the coins was a deadend and they wanted to remove silver from ALL the coins and use clad for everything. But the Senators and representatives from the silver producing states wanted to keep the status quo with silver in all the coins even though it was an impossible situation. So eventually a compromise was reached. The half dollar would retain 40% silver content, and the other members of the coinage and banking committees would support the 1964 silver Peace dollar legislation in return for the silver state producing lawmakers support for the adoption of the clad composition for the dimes and quarters. This was agreed to as it would keep silver in the largest coins and thus represent a continued high use of silver. The compromise was reached and the Coinage Act of 1965 was passed. Then the administration, with the encouragement of the Mint, dropped the 1964 Peace dollar. This did not make the Senators happy as they had already promised their constituents that the dollar coin would soak up a lot of their silver production. But they did continue to honor their commitment to keep the half at 40% silver.
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@Conder101, wow, that makes sense, thanks!
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I'm starting to think Conder101 is a politician. He always knows about those guys and all the facts about what they are doing and why.
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While I agree that Conder101 always seems to have the answer it he truly is a politician you can rest assured that they are probably lies. Since his answer usually make perfect sense, I am going to say there is little chance that he is a politician.
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Conder101: The half dollar would retain 40% silver content, and the other members of the coinage and banking committees would support the 1964 silver Peace dollar.

Apparently, it never occurred to anyone that the new Peace dollars could have been made 40% silver-clad, as well. Then they could have been dated 1965-onward, and their melt value wouldn't have been an issue for years.
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@DNA, if the fact that Kennedy's still had any silver and the Peace dollar is 106% the size of that coin, people may very well have hoarded them as well. :(
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people may very well have hoarded them as well.

Silver was around $1.30 an ounce in 1965.

A 1965 40% Peace dollar would have contained 41 cents worth of silver
at the time of its issue, making hoarding pointless (until late 1973,
when silver hit $3.15/oz., at which point the coins would have been worth $1 in melt value).

When silver hit $3.35/oz, the 40% JFK's were worth 50 cents in melt value.

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@DNA, that didn't stop people from hoarding the JFK's though....
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True but to a large extent the half was being horded because it had Kennedy on it. And the 64's were hoarded for two reasons, Kennedy, and they were worth almost as much as their face value as metal. Not to mention their intrinsic value was considerably higher than the 1965's. (Gresham's law in action)
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A political decision was reached in 1964 and eventually passed into law in 1965. Political motivation by representatives from silver producing states drove the changes. Maybe they looked into a crystal ball and saw the silver futures?
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