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Naevius Balbus Serrate Denarius Questions

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 Posted 02/21/2007  11:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,
I'm hoping some of you ancients collectors might provide general information and comments about this coin. I chose it off the CNG website because I liked its looks and I wanted an example of an early Roman denarius. I would appreciate any opinions on the following questions:
1) Why were these coins made with the serrate edge design?
2) How does this coin rate on a rarity scale of early denarii? (common, average, or scarce).
3) What is the relationship between grade and price on these early Roman coins? This coin appears to be AU and it seems to retain some original luster. As such, should it be a lot more expensive than an example with heavy wear or problems?
Thanks for your input!


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 Posted 02/22/2007  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To answer your questions in order:

1. We don't really know why certain Republican denarii , or for that matter any of the other ancient "serrated series" coins, were produced. Some have suggested it was to prove the purity of the metal, making the serrations "official test cuts". Given the number of contemporary counterfeit serrated denarii that have been found, it seems to have been unsuccessful in this regard.

Others have suggested it functioned as a security device to prevent clipping - sort of a primitive reeded edge. Given it's primitive state, though, it probably wouldn't have been too hard for a silver thief to clip a denarius and then apply authentic-looking serrations of his own.

We do know that after the original series of serrati were produced (circa 118 BC), certain Germanic tribes preferred that any payments from the Romans were to be made in these coins. It is presumed that the canny Germans were aware that the serrated coins were older, and thus of finer silver. Perhaps the later series of serrated coins like this one were intended to circulate in the northern frontier areas, issued with serrations to fool the locals into thinking these were older coins. But given that the coins are found throughout the Roman world, this seems unlikely.

2. This particular type is number 309 in the Sear catalogue (millennium edition). Sear has a comment about this type, that there was a substantial increase in output of the Roman mint at about the time this coin was issued (79 BC), to pay for Sulla's military campaigns. It would appear to be one of the commonest types of Republican denarii.

3. In general, yes, grade does make a difference in value. The Sear ME catalogue was the first Sear book to come out with values at two different grades; earlier editions just gave "a value", and you had to guess what sort of discount or premium to apply due to grade. The CV of your coin, for example, is listed at £45 in VF, £140 in EF. Generally, EF seems to be around 2.5 to 3 times the VF price.

Finally: whatever your coin has, it won't have lustre in the conventional sense. There's no way a silver coin can be struck, circulated, buried for some 2000 years, dug up, cleaned, and still have "original mint lustre".
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 Posted 02/23/2007  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Sap for your detailed reply. I really appreciate that you are ready and willing to share your wealth of knowledge.

To follow up on your final point, is there really no such thing as original luster on an ancient silver coin? The Heritage auction archives show two denarii that were graded as MS61 by ICG. I'm not sure how ICG's grading standards differ for ancients vs. modern coins, but I would expect they won't label a coin as Mint State unless they find luster.

Thanks again!
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 Posted 02/23/2007  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps I'm just too conservative, but I don't think any ancient coin can honestly grade above gEF, any more than a cleaned modern coin can.

And I suppose you can put me in the class of ancients collectors with little or no faith in the TPGs.
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here are some good pages from Robert Kokotailo on grading of ancient coins

http://www.calgarycoin.com/referenc...ding/fdc.htm
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