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Diamond Jubilee High Relief Mint Error? - Uneven Edges

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 Posted 06/14/2012  2:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wdwms to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all! I'm new to collecting, well at least online... I have a nice US Silver Eagle collection and proof sets, but I recently started branching out and getting some world coins.

My Queen's Diamond Jubilee $20 High Relief coin just arrived from the Canadian Mint earlier today, first I noticed there was no reeding on the edge, which I understand is normal. However the thickness of the edge varies so much. So much that if you took it out of the capsule and set it down, it won't lay flat, it would be on an angle. I didn't take the coin out of the capsule yet, but by approximation w/my calipers on the side the capsule, the left side of the coin has a thickness of 3.27mm, the right side is about 2.53mm, a huge difference.

I'm new to high relief, and I assume this is incorrect and being so, it may be worth it to send it off to NGC for proper grading and marking as a mint error.

Here are some photos

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Thoughts?

-t

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 Posted 06/14/2012  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wdwms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did a bit of research could this be a tapered planchet?
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 Posted 06/14/2012  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imohtep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is odd, I had a look at my 20 for 20 canoe coin and the edges are reeded..
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 Posted 06/14/2012  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wdwms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is not the 20 for 20 coin, this is the High Relief: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/fine-...-prod1270022

I took a look at this video on YouTube at about the 1:14 mark the guy makes a remark at how good the quality control is, and then he spins the coin in his hand, showing all sides are even..


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I've got something odd here.. Need to find out what it is, and what do I do w/it.. for a mintage of only 7000, this could be rare..

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 Posted 06/14/2012  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barriecarson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You came to the right place. Lots of experts on this type of stuff hanging around.

You would think that more pressure is needed to stamp a high relief coin, so could the added pressure cause the coin to "bulge" on one side?
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 Posted 06/14/2012  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barriecarson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, by the way, nice looking coin
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 Posted 06/15/2012  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally have never seen this before. I'm not into error coins but this one is interesting for sure.

Value is driven by whatever someone else is willing to pay for. Place it on ebay up for bids and see what happens...
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 Posted 06/15/2012  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wdwms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm surprised more people haven't commented on it.. maybe is should send to NGC to see what happens?
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 Posted 06/15/2012  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What kind of slab will NGC have? if the slab is opaque you might not be able to see the edge. I don't have any NGC so I don't know. IMO I don't think it would add any significant premium to the value of the coin.
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 Posted 06/15/2012  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You would have to remove the capsule to be sure but it appears to be a bit of rim finning which can be caused by a high pressure strike, leading to the planchet extruding between the collar and die.
https://goccf.com/t/116192


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What kind of slab will NGC have?

NGC now uses a four prong edgeview holder instead of the old solid opaque insert that completely covered the edge of the coin.
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 Posted 06/15/2012  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just dug mine out to look at it. It does seem slightly thinner in the area behind the Queen's head in the high relief portrait. And thickest in front of her mouth. Doesn't seem as dramatic a difference as yours though. Can't quite convince myself that it's not just an optical illusion from the case....
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 Posted 06/16/2012  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wdwms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I took another look at it, its certainly not rim finning, as the entire coin is thicker on the one side. Next week I have new coin gloves arriving and i'll take it out and take more photos. Its at the bottom of the capsule and from what I can tell if I was to take this coin out and set it down on a flat surface you would see the coin on an angle. Its that easy to see even through the case.

When I took the photos above, the coin wasn't sitting down all the way to the bottom of the capsule, I tapped it a few times and its settled to the bottom. As you turn it you can clearly see the difference..

I should do that, put it on something that rotates and make a quick video of it...

-t
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It looks like all of the major Mints are getting onto the
Ultra High Relief bandwagon.
It has taken them a bit over 100 years to figure out this commercial niche.
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Have you weighed this coin?
Looks like the planchet may have been undersized/weight and wasn't pressed into the collar correctly due to the lack of metal in the planchet
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 Posted 06/16/2012  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyalSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this is much like my cuban silver commemorative coin :P



Diamond-Jubilee-High-Relief-Mint-Error?---Uneven-Edges

What you have is VERY weird because for this coin the mint took extreme care to make sure not even the slightest error was made. Very nice find
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My 2012 ASE (purchased yesterday at a LCS) is the same way.
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