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1896 Morgan

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This is another one that's giving me the blues in trying to grade it. I'd like to go with Extra Fine, but I'm inclined to drop it down to Very Fine. What do you think? Thanks.

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Ralph, something seems bizarre with those surfaces, like they've been altered in some way. It has XF/AU details but probably would net to F/VF.
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As pointed out in another post, I'm using my scanner for the pictures I post. You think that may be what gives my coins the look you see in them?

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It's definitely the scanner. As for the coin, I'd have no problem with VF. I like the obverse of this one better than the other, but the reverse less. This one's reverse-limited.

For a little background, Prethen, Ralph and I have been discussing his scans for a while - he knows I'm grading them strictly according to what I see, altered surfaces not considered. It's an exercise for him to learn detail grading. Surfaces are another topic entirely.
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Whoa Dave!

I went to the glossary, and looked up obverse limited and reverse limited - zip! Can you enlighten me a little on those terms? Anytime I hear, or see something new, I want to know about it.

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Can you enlighten me a little on those terms?


Ralph, if you're not being sarcastic, I believe what Dave is stating is that the reverse on one and obverse on the other that you posted are the limiting factors to the coins grade. Meaning, if both sides were equal, you'd have an easy grade, but on this coin in particular, the reverse is a little worse than the obverse, hence, the grade is "reverse limited".

If you had a coin that was Au on one side and AG on the other, the side with the AG would be the limiting factor to overall grade. I'm sure Dave will pipe up if I'm not understanding your question and/or his comment.

Hope this helps,

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I would say that the obverse would be AU and the reverse would still make XF. Thus, based on detail, the Morgan's condition is XF.
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tights - I try to never be sarcastic - realistic, but never sarcastic.
Yes, it does indeed help. Thanks. I see this forum, not only as a family, but a place to learn as well. Anytime I don't understand, I ask.

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Yeah, that's exact;y what I meant. The "official" grade is always the grade of the lower face (at least, to me), and that's the term you use to describe the (usual) situation where one face is lesser than the other.
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Thanks Dave. This is something new I will add to my vocabulary. And, I apologize, if you, too, interpreted my message as being sarcastic. I can't learn if I don't ask questions. Thanks.

Ralph
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