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Help On Capped Bust Half Attribution

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 Posted 06/18/2012  10:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Was curious to see if I could assign an overton #
to these two coins. Not high grade but maybe still detectable.
Thank's

1825 (guess there are 25 diff. variations)
1830 Sm. 0 (21 ea. of those)

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 Posted 06/18/2012  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm kinda guessing here, especially with the 1830 as they reused obverse and reverse dies in differing marriages. But I gotta say something, so....O-107 for the 1825, and O-110 for the 1830.
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 Posted 06/18/2012  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank's a lot Dave.
I could not find any archives with pics. etc.
online that show all of the attributes on all
of the 0 numbers. I did see a reference to a book out there
with them all listed but forgot the guys name.
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 Posted 06/19/2012  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would be Overton, a book I have. My usual attribution process is to come as close as I can with Overton, and then search the Heritage for their superior images of similar coins to confirm the attribution.
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 Posted 06/19/2012  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank's again for the info.
I'll try to find the author of that book I saw on line again.
Was not Overton himself.
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 Posted 06/19/2012  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SusanLynn (forum mom) is very very good at attributing Capped Bust Halves and can tell you what you have exactly. If she doesn't see this thread within the next few days and no one else has given you a definite answer I will try to bring it to her attention for you (or you can email her yourself through the forum). I know she is very busy running her business also so it may take a few days for her to respond
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If it wasn't Overton then the possibilities are Beistle (old book. OK if you like books, but I wouldn't buy one for attributing.), Parsley (Overton's son-in-law, published fourth edition of Overton,), and Peterson. Peterson's Ultimage Guide to Attributing Capped Bust Halves is good.
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 Posted 06/19/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's the one I saw. Peterson.
Thank's. Also I will send SusanLynn a note.
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 Posted 06/20/2012  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jamez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1825 is O-107 (R2) Coin
1830 is O-115 (R3) Coin (this could be the O-110, the picture is not focused enough to see if there are some lines in front of the bust to verify the O-115 and on the reverse the lines in the shield plays a part as well)

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Jamez is correct on the 1825. It is definitely an O-107 with a rarity rating of 2 (slightly uncommon 500-1000 known).

The 1830 looks to me to be an O-110. The position of the I centered under the left side of the T, the base of the M being slightly higher than the bases of the A and E, the alignment of the E to the D make this a Reverse E, and the crossbars extending into the right wing clinch this as a Reverse E. Due to the thicker date, the slightly lower position of the 3 which is more closed, and the sharper stars, I am pretty sure this is Obverse 5-s3. This variety has a rarity rating of 3 (scarce 201-500 known).
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Thank you all very, very much for your time and help.
SDave nailed it earlier then I guess.
This makes me want to expand some on my variety studies.
This coin is one of a few types left that I would like to learn more about. Would that Peterson guide be the best bet for me ?
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I swear by the Overton 3rd edition book. I have the 4th edition, but I don't use it. Everything I need has always been in the 3rd edition and I have seen some errors in the 4th edition. Please don't ask me what those errors were because I really don't remember. I just remember that it made me go back to using the 3rd edition.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
O.K., Thanks.
Will take your word on the choice then.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just happened to find this while searching.
Is this fairly accurate ? If so, anything important there ?

http://www.busthalfprices.com/errata.php

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I haven't found a good value source for these, yet. Generally, the value for the more common varieties can be found on the greysheet quarterly 2 issue by date only. For the less common varieties, I do a lot of internet research to see what others are asking and what others have sold for on multiple venues and decide on my price from there.

If you are considering selling these on ebay, do not list them as auctions! List them as fixed price listings. Bust halves sell for much lower as auctions and you will not realize anywhere near what you should.
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 Posted 06/24/2012  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Susan

I listed that link in regards to the Errato part of it
not on the values.
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