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1857 Flying Eagle Grade

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Having a hard time with this one.....appears to have been Struck Through Grease or a filled die or something. Also seems to be some doubling around the 5. Any help with the coin and the grade would be appreciated.

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 Posted 06/25/2012  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris12018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say F. But, the obv. looks damaged& rim ding @ 12:00. IMO this will knock it down further. Maybe into VG money range.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would this be damage? or a filled die? This was a gift from my dad, however he said he could return it if needed. Neither one of us is familiar with this series. The coin was purchased as a filled die. Also was purchased for more than Fine money. Based on photograde seems to have higher details than Fine. The coin almost seems to have had a hammer strike toward the center but the outer part seems extremely weak.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rycolemet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not that familiar with Flying Eagles but there are way too many feathers showing on the obverse for that side to be graded fine. However, I have no clue what is causing the obverse weak spots and the reverse does seem to be more in the fine range. I have never seen any (although that isn't saying much) with this sort of unbalanced wear. It must have some interesting story!
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you can draw a line across the tail/hind legs that delininate the well struck portion from the portion that lacks detail. not sure grease would lead to this.
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What a great coin! That center detail is amazing. It's just weakly struck around the edges, probably struck while they were adjusting press pressure. The mint had a lot of trouble with these due to the hard metal they were struck on.
I'm going to give this one an MS-58 and in hand turning it in the light I might even bump it to MS-60 depending on the surfaces.
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The details on the eagle make me think AU but I don't know what to think about the rest of the coin. I can't tell if it happened at the mint or if it's post mint damage. To each his own, but I wouldn't be interested in the coin either way.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this one is a very early strike. Sure hope Rick Snow decides to take a look at this thread to give us an idea.
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Very interesting and odd strike - I'll be following this thread with interest!
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 Posted 06/26/2012  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin would go AU if, not for the small rim ding, I'll say EF, nice Flying Eagle.
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This FE is a very interesting one!!

I agree the lack of detail in some places seems to stem from the coin's initial strike.

I originally thought the lack of detail on the eagle's tail was PMD, but with no corresponding damage to the rim/edge, I now no longer think that.

The lack of complete pressure for the strike also (IMO) caused the lack of detail in the reverse wreath.

A VERY cool coin! Overall, AU-55, due to rim dings and a touch of wear on the eagle's breast feathers.
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 Posted 06/27/2012  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting, AU55.
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I'm still on this one at AU-58. The softness on the eagle's head works it's way back into the neck feathers. The high points on the breast I believe are also flat because of the inconsistent strike. Looking at the top edge of the left wing which is very high, shows no wear at all. This coin saw very little circulation if any. Maybe it was dropped at some point putting the tick at the 12 O'clock position, but that could also be strike related as well but would need to be in hand to know for sure.
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 Posted 07/01/2012  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Golly that's an interesting one. You really need an expert to be sure of anything. I don't know what to make of that weakness in that wreath but the obverse says to me around AU.
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I don't think there is any wear on this coin...this looks like a die issue, I could be wrong of course. Interesting?
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I've had this coin under a loupe so many times this last week. The coin definitely has me intrigued.
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