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 Posted 06/26/2012  5:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add maudry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm very proud to show my latest acquisition.
It's relatively a common type in a very average quality.
These coins have been minted in Bordeaux during the blokus of Paris in 1870.
They did no more receive the dies from Paris and had to produce by themselves.
For the obverse of this coin the mint worker made a mistake in the name of the Engraver and the signature reads A. E. OUDINE. instead of E. A. OUDINE.
The variety has only been detected in 1889 (almost 20 years later) and since that time sought for.
The die is of poor quality and all the coins known show the same defects.
Only around 15 coins are known to have survived.
It is supposed that this die was breaking very fast which explains the small number of coins.
I got this one in a public auction for a mere price as it has not been described as what it is.

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 Posted 06/26/2012  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bravo! Absolument merveilleux
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 Posted 06/26/2012  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tzarmarko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great coin! Especially with some history behind it!
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 Posted 06/26/2012  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a lovely coin.

Thank you for sharing the photos..
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 Posted 06/27/2012  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thankyou: very interesting story; excellent pics.
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France
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 Posted 06/27/2012  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent story, I was not aware of this !
What a find, congratulations !
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 Posted 06/27/2012  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtleoverhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You were rewarded for your knowledge
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maudry's Avatar
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 Posted 06/28/2012  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maudry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All dies produced in Bordeaux can be recognized by the general engravers sign M in the star.
It does only exist in 1870 and 1871 with the 2 and 5 francs.
The false signature variety is, I believe, well known by collectors.
But it is important to know that manipulated coins do exist.
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 Posted 06/28/2012  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great looking example, and always good to learn something new!
Thanks again.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nicwinner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one maudry! Nothing better than a man who knows his coins.
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 Posted 07/16/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maudry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A not very much better example sold recently for 1800 euro plus 12% fees:
http://vso.numishop.eu/ficheboutiqu...&argretour=2
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 Posted 07/16/2012  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hammerrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool, and thanks for sharing, I learn something new everytime I log on!
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 Posted 07/17/2012  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, thank you for the education. Congradulations!
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Hong Kong
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 Posted 07/18/2012  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you to let me see such an valuable coin.

More information about this coin (correct me if I am wrong):

This coin was struck after the defeat of France in the battle of Sedan (Sept. 1 1870), the third Republic was proclaimed. The reverse side of this piece shows two kinds of plants, laurel branch (which represents glory) and olive branch (which represents peace). Also, there is not any inscriptions.

When compare with another piece (shown below), also a five Franc of 1870 but before the defeat in the battle of Sedan, the revese shows only one kind of plant - two laurel branches (no more olive branch) and the inscription: Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.



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Please confirm or reject my observation and reasoning.

In addition, who can tell me the meaning of the 6-corner star above the goddess.

Thank you, Henry
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maudry's Avatar
Luxembourg
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 Posted 07/18/2012  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maudry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin without legend has been minted after Napoleon has left the country.
This type has been created by using an obverse froom the 2nd republic and the reverse of the coins from Louis Philippe.
Nothing had really been prepared and they had to act in the emergency. I do not think you have to seek another meaning in the choice of the plants. They had to take what was available...

I do not knoy about the meaning of the 6-corner star.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maudry, thank you your information. Yes, you are right. I will try to seek the information about the 6-angle star.
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